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Re: Russia Blocks Access to Major Independent News Sites

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Post by adobriyan »

go13 wrote: post #115
adobriyan wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn't Navalni widely considered/painted as a paid US shill in Russia? He is. Just as Echo and the rest of our liberal fifth column.

Small part of Russia wants to live in a free liberal society but major part says we want to live in a gang-totalitarian terrarium headed by the KGB agent. Those who have courage to protest on the Bolotnaya square say we want to have free media and have a right to protest but zombied people say we want to be slaves. Zombied slaves don't want to have alternative media and don't want to think because Putin's propaganda…

blah blah blah liberty(TM) democracy(R) innovation ltd

Navalny thrives on anti-caucasus card to pump Russia into civil war when told to by his western masters.

and some of our liberals are quite severely braindamaged judging by what they tell in public

Re: Russia Blocks Access to Major Independent News Sites

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Post by antocv »

spenvo wrote: post #3

The greatest instrument used in the societal tragedies of the last century has (undoubtedly) been state delivered propaganda. Japan (Empire of the Rising Sun), Nazi Germany, Maoism (and the following Cultural Revolution), in America: Red Scare (age of McCarthyism, ending as a consequence of JMc.'s untimely death), the Red Peril (the predecessor of the Red Scare) -- the list goes on. The efficacy of those at the top t…

USA is in that bubble with China, Russia Iran etc.

Youre just in it and refuse to accept it. Americans too are intellectually subdued.

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Post by adobriyan »

1gor wrote: post #130
trycatch wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a great textbook example of whataboutism. In Ukraine only 5 foreign TV channels were banned -- Vesti, Russia 24, ORT (First Channel World Network), RTR Planet, and NTV World. All of them were state-sponsored mouthpieces of Russian Goebbels-style propaganda, and it's in a country invaded by Russia. No wonder that these propaganda channels of foreign aggressors were banned. In Russia Kremlin attacks its own legiti…

I think your 'Goebbels this' and 'Goebbels that' arguments are amusing. Thanks for confirming that 5 TV channels carrying alternative views are banned in Ukraine. That's no problem for you because you call them propaganda. Some people disagree. A lot of Ukrainians Russian-speakers feel that their point of view is not represented in Ukrainian official media, and that Russian news provide some valuable alternative. Aft…

> I think your 'Goebbels this' and 'Goebbels that' arguments are amusing.

i'd call them what they are: clueless idiots

this video is for our wannabe freedom lovers http://oper.ru/news/read.php?t=1051613380

(in russian)

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Post by adobriyan »

kmcmcmd wrote: post #118
1gor wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've corrected my comment. Not all Russian language news were banned. Still, it seems Ukrainian government is also trying to censor some news sources.

some= russian propaganda stations (russian state controlled and run)- independent stations are running.

independent = those who tell what's good for current neo-nazi-ish regime

Re: Russia Blocks Access to Major Independent News Sites

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Post by adobriyan »

Grue3 wrote: post #41

Disgusting, first they started blocking random sites for "promoting suicide" or "promoting drug use", and now they don't even try to mask the censorship. As a Russian citizen, I'm also very interested what Internet Hero Edward Snowden thinks about this.

> first they started blocking random sites for "promoting suicide" or "promoting drug use", and now they don't even try to mask the censorship.

we have good teachers and are learning (from west obviously)

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Post by ommunist »

Asparagirl wrote: post #61
RomanPushkin wrote: post #60

I'm from Russia, and you know, average Russian didn't feel that major independent news sites are blocked. May be they're blocked, but we actually don't give a f..k about them. We have other independent news sites. So my position is like the West is trying to force hysteria. Please don't think that we don't have freedoms here. We have much more freedom that you can ever imagine. As well, we don't need to be protected…

And the feminist punk bands, the homosexuals, and the murdered journalists -- how are they doing lately?

I am sorry, but homosexuals, feminist punk bands and murdered journalists are not main news sources. Even in Russia.

Re: Russia Blocks Access to Major Independent News Sites

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Post by ommunist »

ommunist wrote: post #138

The thing is EFF article heading is misleading. These listed websites are not "major independent news sites". And they never been. When it comes to independent news sources, Russia uses a lot of newsru.com, lenta.ru, utro.ru, none of those blocked. Besides livejournal.com works from Russia as usual. Serve it from open public proxy in Novosibirsk and see for yourself. It is sad EFF became a channel for demonization of…

To the one who -1-ed this comment - why? It is only the truth.

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Post by dcc1 »

malkung wrote: post #135
dcc1 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until one day those antiPutinities are mysteriously rounded up and sent to Siberia, heres a thought for you if Putin did that tomorrow what would the "West" do? the answer will be nothing, nada, zero If I was in Russia now i would shut up and plan my exit strategy, as most of those who could afford did so.

Here you are thinking about Russia in your Western categories. Those who did exit did so not because they want to be able to speak up against Putin, but for economic or professional reasons. Also Anti-Putinites are so many on the Internet you can't possibly round them up. Russians have been venting their political views on the Internet ever since the Internet has become available, I don't see how this can ever be sto…

I was born in the USSR, my birth cert has the hammer and sickle, so please don't lecture me on "the Russian way of thinking"

What has risen in the last ~15 years is a much more cynical, evil, ugly and nastier version of what USSR was.

Hell my parents still watch Russian channels and it doesn't take long to realise that there is some sort of mass psychosis taking place in the old country, fuelled by state controlled media.

I actually feel very much sorry for those brave souls that do speak out, seeing as to what happened to all those journalists that did so, you are right ending up in a Siberian gulag aint the worst outcome.

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Post by malkung »

trycatch wrote: post #124
1gor wrote: post #102

Did EFF complain about Ukraine government outlawing access to any Russian language news a few days ago? Correction : Above sentence is not correct. Not all Russian language news were outlawed. Instead, only Russian TV channels were banned in Ukraine a few days ago. This has caused OSCE to express concern. See the link below. Almost a half of Ukrainians speak Russian language. New Kiev government has banned national b…

What a great textbook example of whataboutism. In Ukraine only 5 foreign TV channels were banned -- Vesti, Russia 24, ORT (First Channel World Network), RTR Planet, and NTV World. All of them were state-sponsored mouthpieces of Russian Goebbels-style propaganda, and it's in a country invaded by Russia. No wonder that these propaganda channels of foreign aggressors were banned. In Russia Kremlin attacks its own legiti…

> Eh, neo-Nazis to call to armed struggle against the state? That's just bullshit.

Why do you think it's bullshit? Have you seen those images from Kiev of people throwing cobbles and Molotov cocktails at police, and some firing guns? That's armed struggle against the state. Do you know that these people (not babushkas and pretty girls waving flags) belong to political parties or paramilitary groups confirmed as neo-Nazi in Europe (not just in Russia)?

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Post by trekky1700 »

twelve40 wrote: post #93
trekky1700 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't see what every media outlet that isn't Russian state-controlled would have to gain from distributing "biased" journalism. We've seen raw footage released, we can read live tweets about what's happening and we can even communicate with people effected via the internet. The only side that seems to conflict with what's coming out of the region is the Russian side. I watched cellphone footage of troops wit…

What?? Russia has quite officially kept at least 10k troops in Crimea for the last 200 years, give or take. Maybe you can cross-check your breaking twitter news with, I dunno, wikipedia maybe?

But they haven't occupied the region and they haven't left bases or done exercises without permission for the last 20 or so relevant years since the fall of the USSR.
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