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Re: German freemail sites trick Firefox and Chrome users into removing AdBlock

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Post by mistercow »

marcosdumay wrote: post #82
patal wrote: post #37

Can we update the AdBlock list to suppress said yellow bar from display?

It would be better to update browsers, to display a different warning, in a place where a page can't change at all. (And while we are there, Firefox, please, do the same with the master password dialog.) But I doubt any of them will do that because, security be damed, it messes with the minimalist fashion.

It would still be helpful even if they just modified the warnings to bleed into the non-page portion of the window somehow. It doesn't have to compromise minimalism. They just need to be creative about it.

But I think the best place for it would be between the tab bar and the location bar.

Re: German freemail sites trick Firefox and Chrome users into removing AdBlock

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Post by __david__ »

mason240 wrote: post #133
__david__ wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should the blind modify their browsing habits to only include sites that have built in audio transcriptions? Or, perchance, is it the right of every website viewer to consume the website in the way they deem most fit?

You're really going to equate your annoyance with ads with being blind?

They're certainly not equivalent in any human sense, but technologically they are quite similar. Good attempt at sidestepping the issue though.

Re: German freemail sites trick Firefox and Chrome users into removing AdBlock

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Post by r00fus »

slipstream- wrote: post #27

Socialing people to remove adblock?! I'm amazed they don't just social people to download toolbar claiming to fix the "security compromises".

Because a) one is already known as being scammy and b) doing the latter might get the site listed as a ad/malware provider, which may run into browser and protection suites labeling the site.

Re: German freemail sites trick Firefox and Chrome users into removing AdBlock

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Post by mendelk »

_pghu wrote: post #121
mendelk wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ABP for Chrome has the "Allow some non-intrusive advertising" flag for precisely this reason: to reward creators who use ads deemed "acceptable". This flag is checked by default. More Info: https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads

The problem is that "acceptable" in this context means "paid protection money to the ABP dev". (see https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads-agreements )

> Whitelisting is free for all small- and medium websites and blogs. However, managing this list requires significant effort on our side and this task cannot be completely taken over by volunteers as it happens with common filter lists. That's why we are being paid by some larger properties that serve non-intrusive advertisements that want to participate in the Acceptable Ads initiative.

No room for abuse there. /s :)

Re: German freemail sites trick Firefox and Chrome users into removing AdBlock

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Post by RamiK »

Really a shame for them to resort to such unscrupulous tactics. I quite like 1&1 too. Their mail.com mobile interface ( https://m.mail.com/int/ ) works with NoScript and is perfect as far as my needs are concerned. Quite nice looking too. Very flat and minimal while being completely functional.

Such a shame...

Re: German freemail sites trick Firefox and Chrome users into removing AdBlock

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Post by devwebee »

Amezarak wrote: post #67
adrianmn wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a publisher and advertiser problem as they did not create an ad relevant and/or engaging enough. With retargeting ads this days it becomes easier to show relevant and targeted ads. Actually most HN-ers are leaving huge money on the table right now for not using the highest ROI ad channel - retargeting.

I am one hundred percent sure I have not ever intentionally clicked on or even looked at an ad, nor do I ever intend to, regardless of how relevant it is. I will never click on it. That's why I use Adblock. It doesn't matter what you're showing me. I don't want it. Ever. This goes for offline, too. I don't watch TV except Netflix, partially because of ads. I don't listen to the radio, just my mp3 player. What are you…

I completely agree. You're not losing me because I would've never clicked. If I want something, I go look for it myself. I don't understand why people try to make this a morality issue. You shove ads in my face, I block them, simple as that.

Re: German freemail sites trick Firefox and Chrome users into removing AdBlock

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Post by look_lookatme »

GhotiFish wrote: post #112
DanBC wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand it. Someone has said that they do not view advertising. They have modified their browser to avoid ads. A marketer choses to ignore that person's choice and choses to use tricky technical means to ignore that person's wishes in order to show an ad. How is that in any way beneficial to the product being advertised? I am ad tolerant (don't run ad blockers etc) but behaviour like that fills me with rag…

I'm highly intolerant of ads. I have limited focus. Most of all, ads scare me. I'm afraid they may have a potentially compounding effect on the way I think. but the default position of most people is to disregard someone's position. There is a stunningly vast portion of the population that actively assumes that everyone believes the same as they do, even if they know otherwise. "I can't focus with the tv on" "Yes you…

You should only visit sites that don't have ads, then.

Re: German freemail sites trick Firefox and Chrome users into removing AdBlock

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Post by GhotiFish »

look_lookatme wrote: post #147
GhotiFish wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm highly intolerant of ads. I have limited focus. Most of all, ads scare me. I'm afraid they may have a potentially compounding effect on the way I think. but the default position of most people is to disregard someone's position. There is a stunningly vast portion of the population that actively assumes that everyone believes the same as they do, even if they know otherwise. "I can't focus with the tv on" "Yes you…

You should only visit sites that don't have ads, then.

How pragmatic.

Personally, I don't see a reason why ads HAVE to be manipulative or misleading. What if it was in my own interest to see them?

Consider that I'm blocking them because I perceive them as a threat, and the fact that they can't stop me creates an incentive to reform in a positive way.

There's no reason ads can't be mutually beneficial. A company around town is looking for a programmer? Here's my resume guys! Future shop is having a clearance sale on HDD's? Let me get my coat!

You should install adblock! Increase that incentive! Why suffer ads? join me and push them towards being useful!

Re: German freemail sites trick Firefox and Chrome users into removing AdBlock

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Post by vostrocity »

donrhummy wrote: post #88
eik3_de wrote: post #15

This is so embarrassing and disgusting. For reference, here's a list of United Internet properties to avoid: 1&1 (aka 1and1.com) GMX WEB.DE InterNetX united-domains Sedo mail.com Fasthosts affilinet Arsys

+1. Stay far away from 1and1.com! I had the worst experiences with them of any tech company. Customer service doesn't get worse than them.

I would stay away from 1and1 in the future, but their customer service seems alright. The main thing to watch out for is they don't notify you when a contract is about to expire and instead send you the bill after it auto-renews. My fault for getting used to other registrar/hosting services' conventions. They waived and cancelled my account after I called though. I'd say they're a bit more upstanding than EIG's[1] brands.

[1] http://www.digitalfaq.com/editorials/websites-blogs/hostgato...

Re: German freemail sites trick Firefox and Chrome users into removing AdBlock

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Post by userbinator »

mistercow wrote: post #139
userbinator wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then perhaps a different method should be used - although removing all the stuff that makes up adverts is one way to do it (and often does make for faster page loads and lower bandwidth consumption), if the end goal is the user just doesn't want to see them, maybe that's what we should do: everything except render certain elements. (There's also the alternative of targeting the scripts that do this; an anti-anti-adbl…

How would you do that in a way that wouldn't be detectable to the original page? The only way I can see would be at the browser level, not the extension level.

Yes, the current extension model is rather limited in that respect, but what if extensions could also interact with the renderer instead of just the page (DOM) contents? Could make for some more... extensive capabilities.
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