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Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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Installing Google Play on this should be trivial anyway, what's the big deal? The problem is that it's another iphone lookalike. I WANT A DAMN KEYBOARD!

This. I just don't understand what are the benefits of a on-screen keyboard vis-a-vis a slide-out hardware qwerty keyboard. Ever tried using an on-screen keyboard with wet hands? Tried texting in class without looking? Why can't we get one, just ONE, good Android device with a hardware keyboard?

Because we had them and they didn't sell.

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post #41

Lots of comments & speculations but no good explanation of - Why?

Maybe because Windows Phone can't run on low spec hardware and MS would like to capture the emerging markets.

That may not be true. Look at the low end Lumia, they are moderately spec'd. Even Lumia 720 which is Nexus 4 level device has a quarter of the RAM & works great.

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post #12

Without Play Store and the ability to sideload Android apps (via .APK), you can expect a proliferation of pirated Android applications for the Nokia phones. Once again, Microsoft will enable the creation of a thriving anti-virus industry.

It sounds like an ideal CyanogenMOD candidate. A phone from an iconic manufacturer that's already running Android and needs to be opened up a bit.

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So Microsoft has a Linux distro. Interesting. Anybody care to hazard a guess what the future holds? My take is that this was well in development before the MS/Nokia deal went through (it has gone through, hasn't it?) and Microsoft were not (have not been) able to get it canned. Or, shock, horror, maybe Microsoft are testing the waters - they already make a bunch from Linux patents, maybe they want to see how much the…

The Microsoft/Nokia deal has actually not gone through yet, although it most likely will. http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/14/the-nokia-microsoft-deal-is...

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> differentiated experience I still can't believe that decision makers actually believe that customers want that. Sure, it makes for great bullet points on the packaging, but most consumer in the lower segment just want something that is familiar to all the other stuff they have. Things you will never hear an Android user say: "That Samsung Whatever Cloud App is really useful.", "That second App Store of my carrier i…

I think Nokia's target market for these unAndroids is not existing Android users at all, but rather all those people who currently have a low-end Nokia. (There are literally billions of Nokia dumbphones in use around the world.)

Those users don't go into the shop thinking "I want stock Android" because they have no idea what that would even be. Rather they go by a trusted brand and the availability of well-known apps and games. If the price is right, Nokia's unAndroid may actually serve this market quite well.

Re: Nokia announces the X and X+, its first Android phones

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This. I just don't understand what are the benefits of a on-screen keyboard vis-a-vis a slide-out hardware qwerty keyboard. Ever tried using an on-screen keyboard with wet hands? Tried texting in class without looking? Why can't we get one, just ONE, good Android device with a hardware keyboard?

I want a slider, but not a side-slider, a top-slider. I want something like the Blackberry Torch, but Android-based, or at least like the N86 or N95. I still use my N86 for everyday use. http://www.gsmarena.com/blackberry_torch_9800-3203.php http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n86_8mp-2713.php

Why a top-slider? The side-slider seems to give so much more real-estate for keys. Is it just the portrait display of the screen you want, or do you actually prefer typing on the top-slider keyboard?

Personally, I find the on-screen keyboard fine for the ham-fisted one-handed typing of short messages, but I want the maximum width and real keys IFF I have enough to type to justify switching to two-handed typing. So the side-slider seems like the better form-factor.

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The classic feature phones is an older Symbian variant and Asha Platform OS is S40 from what I can tell. Symbian is still king in a lot of countries so Nokia will have to support it for a long time. Struggle to see how this helps Nokia. Nokia Xs are smart phones at a price of a feature phone. Great! Welcome to an already very crowded low-margin market of cheap Androids in India, Brazil, China and Africa, the same mar…

Asha did well in developing markets, and Nokia has an attractive app/ecosystem suite for low-end phones. But Series 40 OS is not competitive with Android. Nokia X goes straight at that problem. If you are careful about the apps, especially the browser, Android will run well on VERY cheap hardware.

Just tried Xs at MWC ... not impressed.

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post #139

> differentiated experience I still can't believe that decision makers actually believe that customers want that. Sure, it makes for great bullet points on the packaging, but most consumer in the lower segment just want something that is familiar to all the other stuff they have. Things you will never hear an Android user say: "That Samsung Whatever Cloud App is really useful.", "That second App Store of my carrier i…

I think Nokia's target market for these unAndroids is not existing Android users at all, but rather all those people who currently have a low-end Nokia. (There are literally billions of Nokia dumbphones in use around the world.) Those users don't go into the shop thinking "I want stock Android" because they have no idea what that would even be. Rather they go by a trusted brand and the availability of well-known apps…

These phones are specifically targeted at developing markets.

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post #139

> differentiated experience I still can't believe that decision makers actually believe that customers want that. Sure, it makes for great bullet points on the packaging, but most consumer in the lower segment just want something that is familiar to all the other stuff they have. Things you will never hear an Android user say: "That Samsung Whatever Cloud App is really useful.", "That second App Store of my carrier i…

I think Nokia's target market for these unAndroids is not existing Android users at all, but rather all those people who currently have a low-end Nokia. (There are literally billions of Nokia dumbphones in use around the world.) Those users don't go into the shop thinking "I want stock Android" because they have no idea what that would even be. Rather they go by a trusted brand and the availability of well-known apps…

Nokia said this already that their strategy for these phones is to serve as a feeder to higher end Lumia. Making cheap Windows Phones like the 520 was relatively successful I thought. So its interesting why they chose to go android route. Because if all its customers cared about was a trusted brand then Nokia could have offered that with a phone similar to the 520.

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post #90

I imagine this decision made through both Microsoft's and Nokia's legal departments, but I can't really stop wondering what the implications of Microsoft distributing GPLv2 (with implicit patent licenses) and Apache (with explicit ones) has on their patent extortion licensing business can be. This could end up being much larger than just a couple phones.

Microsoft has been distributing GPL2 software before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Services_for_UNIX
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