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Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Your comment about "artisinal grilled cheese" earned my upvote. Who knew such a thing existed? Better yet: why?

People eat them, I believe the one the parent is referring to might be this one? http://theamericansf.com/ but there are too many of these (how odd that sentence sounds).

There are at least three different purveyors of fancypants grilled cheese in the city. One has multiple locations.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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The problem with these places is what happens, when you need to hire people to build your company. The tech world is full of impressionistic statements like 'they have a startup scene,' but when you start getting numbers on available talent, you'll see you're putting yourself in a bad position. To take an example where I have better data, people have commented on the vibrant and growing startup scene in Santiago, Chi…

Your point's valid as far as the importance of depth of engineering talent, but I will push back and say the talent's not nearly as sparse in St. Louis as you think.

St. Louis has two strong universities: Washington University[1], ranked 14th in the nation, and St. Louis University, ranked 101st [2]. Washington University has the 7th ranked SAT score average, ahead of Stanford, Columbia, Duke, et. al. [3]

While a huge chunk of these kids move away from St. Louis (including myself), the challenge of getting talent to St. Louis isn't as hard when you have a strong U. in the area as a default. There are also great champions of the St. Louis scene, like Jim McKelvey, cofounder of Square and Wash U alum.

[1] http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/... [2] http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/... [3] http://www.businessinsider.com/complete-ranking-of-americas-... [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_McKelvey

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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St. Louis is cheap, but it's cheap for a reason. If you think 6th and Market is bad, take a stroll through East St. Louis. It has the 3rd highest murder rate in the country. Violent crime is on the rise. [1] Basically, it's one of the most dangerous cities in the country. If that sort of thing doesn't bother you, then you'd probably be better off just moving your startup to Oakland and maintaining a connection to the…

Then why is Palo Alto so expensive?

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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While I agree that race should have nothing to do with it, culturally it's much more acceptable to talk about white gentrification then gentrification by any other race. Also, in this case I'm not interesting removing the white designator because it really is predominantly white males. Also the gentrification happening in the Mission is very much a race thing. "Keep the Mission brown" is a slogan used by many in this…

Then how come all the pics I have seen of the buss/gentrification >90% protesters have been young whites?

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Having grown up in the midwest, one of the main things keeping me from moving back (besides particularities of jobs/etc.) is the weather. Really really cold winters, hot & humid summers. Nice springs and autumns, though, if I could arrange to be somewhere else Dec-Feb and June-Aug. I'd pay a premium to live somewhere with a longer "nice to be outdoors" season, though how much of a premium is a good question. I actual…

Oh, really? I'm living in Scandinavia and looking to move elsewhere. Midwest was one of my options, and I had never thought winters were so bad over there!

Winters are shorter, but the temperatures drop much lower than in Denmark, anyway (perhaps not colder than Finland). Here are the nightly low temperatures in Chicago for the next 5 days: -17 C, -20 C, -25 C, -22 C, -13 C. I have never seen temperatures like that in Copenhagen!

Granted, in an average week Chicago won't be quite that cold, but in general its winter weather is pretty harsh. People bike to work all winter in Copenhagen, which would be unthinkable in Chicago weather (even if the city had better bike infrastructure). I actually like it being moderately cold and snowy, but -5 C is about my limit.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Or it could become the next Detroit when the tech industry decides that it doesn't "need" to be in the Bay Area. I doubt that there'll be that dramatic a change because there are too many actors, Detroit was more vulnerable because it depended on such a small number of anchor employers

Detroit is freezing cold during the winter and doesn't have the same scenery. Even if tech declined SF will be a hot destination.

Detroit's early draw was its access to transportation and raw materials: iron ore, coal, the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway. For heavy manufacturing, these were all advantages.

San Francisco has appeal for weather, scenery, and an excellent harbor. Disadvantages include earthquake hazard, and an increasingly unreliable water supply. The latter isn't critical yet, but could well be.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Washington State has a 0% income tax, though maybe not as much sun in the winter (if living in Seattle). And its not Texas.

Housing costs in WA can't hold a candle to Texas. The median home price in King County (where Seattle is located, for those who are unaware) is $415,000. Median home price in Dallas County is just a tad under $200,000. To get that in King County, you have to be all the way down in Federal Way or Auburn, both of which are so far out you'll need a car (so you get to sit on IH-5 for days) and you might as well not even…

415k is median...federal way and auburn are still below that. You can do better than ok with $400k in Seattle if you are willing to go condo.

Texas has bad schools, high Crome, dumpster divers everywhere. Washington state is a first world country in comparison. Even some boondocks place like Spokane where houses still go for $150k compares well to Texas (though the tech jobs are all in Seattle).

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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It's more typically called Panini, which is Italian for "$9 grilled-cheese."

Panino is Italian for sandwich, it literally means small bread. Panini is something I first experienced in France, where it's made with a special semi-raw bread. I've never seen anything quite like it in Italy, though.

Panini and Panino are pretty much synonymous. Panini is just the anglicized word, although it seems the Italians don't generally grill them. I've had Panini/Panino in Italy, France, the UK, and Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panini_(sandwich)

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