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Re: Clang and FSF's strategy

#141

Post by belorn » Fri, Jan 24, 2014, 1:17 PM UTC

oso2k wrote: post #139

belorn wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The data made over repositories like Google code, debian and similar places where entries has some form of minimum standard, GPL licenses are a strong majority, and is increasingly used. So young people are either not serious enough to warrant inclusion in the 40 000 list of programs in Debian (doubtful), or your assumptions are incorrect. > To place restrictions on my gift is to have given the world a poison and not…

I'm a Google Code user myself. I prefer it (and inDefero) over the likes of bitbucket, github, savannah, berlios, etc. But that doesn't make github any less popular. I don't understand the analogy you're trying to make by bringing in the debian repositories into the discussion. It seems to me like you're saying making friends on Friendster are more legitimate than friends made on Facebook because it was an initial in…

Debian repositories are not gateless, in that you can't just create a repository with a text file in it and call it a project. You have to be sponsored, which mean you got to have some working code that is useful for someone.

Or to take a statitic look, 2 out of 3 forks on github are empty[1]. The quality per "project" on github is order of magnitude less than on debian.

You can test this out by randomly picking github repositories and read code. It takes several tries on the randomizer to even get code, and then even more to get code that actually do something.

Using statistics from more mature projects will provide different results than code just thrown at the wall.

As for the beer, it is a bit of a fringe view to allow others assault oneself with beer bottles. Most people will expect physical assault to have legal repercussions. The GPL in the same way trust that most people will not go out to hurt others, but in the case they will, repercussion will happen.

I now really hope you never end up in a court, complaining about assault, and having your comment above used as evidence against you. You basically gave everyone a license to hit you with beer bottles.

[1] http://blog.ram.rachum.com/post/4472104984/2-out-of-3-github...

Re: Clang and FSF's strategy

#142

Post by protomyth » Fri, Jan 24, 2014, 4:10 PM UTC

fafner wrote: post #140

protomyth wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time, I have no problem honoring a license on code written by others EXCEPT when the license presumes to tell other developers that they must do something with code they wrote in separate and not patches made to the original code. This is not irrational or bull . This presumption that the GPL code should impose itself on other code to force it all to be GPL is impolite at best. I have no hate for the GPL. It is…

So you admit you were lying.

Nope, and you cannot read. Dammit, I hate being suckered by a troll.

Re: Clang and FSF's strategy

#143

Post by oso2k » Mon, Jan 27, 2014, 5:39 PM UTC

belorn wrote: post #141

oso2k wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a Google Code user myself. I prefer it (and inDefero) over the likes of bitbucket, github, savannah, berlios, etc. But that doesn't make github any less popular. I don't understand the analogy you're trying to make by bringing in the debian repositories into the discussion. It seems to me like you're saying making friends on Friendster are more legitimate than friends made on Facebook because it was an initial in…

Debian repositories are not gateless, in that you can't just create a repository with a text file in it and call it a project. You have to be sponsored, which mean you got to have some working code that is useful for someone. Or to take a statitic look, 2 out of 3 forks on github are empty[1]. The quality per "project" on github is order of magnitude less than on debian. You can test this out by randomly picking gith…

You're just being silly and overly literal. Having gates does not legitimize a project. Being "mature" does not legitimize a project. Only users can legitimize a project, a license, or a philosophy. In that sense, the GPL is losing legitimacy and relevance in the mindshare of young people, IMO. In the same respect, Debian is meeting a similar fate. Does anybody use Debian anymore? Yes, maybe. The new generation of new distributions seem to be built on Ubuntu, not Debian. I know I've never used Debian, and it took Ubuntu to teach me the "Debian-way" when I had grown up on using Red Hat/Fedora.

Implicitly, everyone has a license to do harm to you. Which is why some people feel governments exist to protect you from others, and others from you. But, laws & rules all have two fatal flaws. "It's only illegal if you get caught" and "Rules aren't made to keep the bad guys out; they're made to keep the good guys in." Meditate on that.