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Re: Firefox 25 is released

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crazygringo wrote: post #109
graue wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh, why do people do that to begin with? :( I've had Web Audio for a while since I'm on the Aurora channel, and there's so many demos that refuse to work for no reason. I try to do my part by submitting pull requests that fix it, when possible, but most of those pull requests have been sitting ignored for months. Clearly more people need to be educated that user-agent sniffing = bad.

Sorry, you're wrong. I hate to be rude about it, but I'm really getting tired of people, who don't know any better, acting like feature detection is always the way to go. Feature detection simply doesn't work it many cases, and there's no alternative. Especially with new stuff like audio, sometimes function calls need to be called in different orders, have subtly different behaviors, etc., and user-agent sniffing is…

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Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by mixmastamyk »

josteink wrote: post #69
Silhouette wrote: post #20

Pleased to see they've backed off on the draconian Java restrictions. I now see (with an up-to-date plug-in) three options: always or never active, or ask to activate, with the latter then prompting as a one-time or remembered choice. This seems a much more reasonable balance between trying to protect security and making sure people can get work done than some of the other proposals in recent discussions.

They honestly had to though. their aggressive stance on plugins risked losing them significant market share in the Java-heavier parts of the world. They couldn't let a few rogue cowboy-developers with an agenda and complete user disconnect overnight just ruin what Mozilla have spent decades building up.

The plugin is quite dangerous, an "aggressive" stance sounds reasonable to me. In the interest of fairness I keep a similar stance with IE/ActiveX.

Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by DanBC »

kevingadd wrote: post #96
qwerty_asdf wrote: post #14

I find it irritating that Mozilla now herds its Firefox users toward the Stub installer, and not the full offline-install redistributable binary. The actual download itself is available on the "Systems & Languages" page: > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/ This kind of download is important, when you want to try out a new release, without committing yourself to it. For example, let's say you want to load it…

Large downloads dramatically decrease the number of users who get from a download page to actually running an application, even for web browsers. As a result, any steps you can take to make an install process faster or easier will have a tangible impact on the number of customers you have (and any revenue potential that results). Mozilla, like any other company, has salaries to pay, so they would be foolish to make t…

> So, in practice, it is already impossible to do a true offline install of either browser; you just may not be aware of the things that are left out of the installer

Some people have lousy Internet connections. Those people use things like download managers to help. Download managers don't work with stub installers.

A simple link to a true offline installer would help those people. (Torrent is fine too, I guess.)

Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by Spittie »

bovermyer wrote: post #122

I do like the release schedule for Firefox. However, I haven't used it in years, except for testing. Philosophically, I agree more with Mozilla than Google, but I just can't seem to get past three things: 1) Chrome gets out of my way. The UI is unobtrusive. Firefox is still bulkier here. 2) For whatever reason, more websites render oddly in Firefox/Gecko than in Chrome/Webkit. 3) Chrome, being a part of the Google ec…

Funny how your first and last negative points are my positive points about Firefox.

1) I really want to like Chrome, but I find the UI pretty bad. Yes, it's fine when you have 5/10 tabs open, but try to open more and you'll see (Firefox without addons is just slightly better than Chrome here, but at least I can customize Firefox). That said, there's a planned restyling of the Firefox UI (which you might already know), called Australis, which might fit more your liking (but I'm not sure when it will land).

2) I'm going to admit that I've never had this problem with Firefox. Firefox is a pretty reliable browser (for what is worth, check the Tom's HW Browser GP), and should render pages just fine. The only time I see problems is when developers use webkit- specific features, without including the moz- too (some times it's something not supported by Firefox, but many times it's just lazy developers that test their sites only with Chrome/Safari)

3) I'm in love with the Firefox mobile UI, and I find mobile Chrome just terrible. I'm not sure what do you mean by "plays very nicely", you mean tab sync?

To be clear, I'm not trying to say that Firefox is better/worse/equal/similar to Chrome, and I'm not trying to convince you to switch back. I just wanted to reply to your points.

Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by bovermyer »

baby wrote: post #128
bovermyer wrote: post #122

I do like the release schedule for Firefox. However, I haven't used it in years, except for testing. Philosophically, I agree more with Mozilla than Google, but I just can't seem to get past three things: 1) Chrome gets out of my way. The UI is unobtrusive. Firefox is still bulkier here. 2) For whatever reason, more websites render oddly in Firefox/Gecko than in Chrome/Webkit. 3) Chrome, being a part of the Google ec…

Try Tree Style Tab and you'll see how hard it is to leave Firefox.

Tree Style Tab? Now I'm curious.

Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by bovermyer »

Spittie wrote: post #146
bovermyer wrote: post #122

I do like the release schedule for Firefox. However, I haven't used it in years, except for testing. Philosophically, I agree more with Mozilla than Google, but I just can't seem to get past three things: 1) Chrome gets out of my way. The UI is unobtrusive. Firefox is still bulkier here. 2) For whatever reason, more websites render oddly in Firefox/Gecko than in Chrome/Webkit. 3) Chrome, being a part of the Google ec…

Funny how your first and last negative points are my positive points about Firefox. 1) I really want to like Chrome, but I find the UI pretty bad. Yes, it's fine when you have 5/10 tabs open, but try to open more and you'll see (Firefox without addons is just slightly better than Chrome here, but at least I can customize Firefox). That said, there's a planned restyling of the Firefox UI (which you might already know)…

With the third point, I'm referring to the fact that I can use the Chrome web store to install apps for both my browser and my phone. If I switch to Firefox, I lose half of that equation. I'm not even talking about mobile Chrome here; I mean the actual Android apps.

Firefox's rendering issues have been largely, I imagine, the case of developers designing only for Chrome, or only for IE. It's not Firefox's fault, in that case, but it's still a reason for me to be wary of Firefox.

As for tabs in Chrome... I never have more than eight open at a time. I'm religious about closing tabs I haven't looked at in over five minutes. My own personal quirk, that!

Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by bovermyer »

eevee wrote: post #130
bovermyer wrote: post #122

I do like the release schedule for Firefox. However, I haven't used it in years, except for testing. Philosophically, I agree more with Mozilla than Google, but I just can't seem to get past three things: 1) Chrome gets out of my way. The UI is unobtrusive. Firefox is still bulkier here. 2) For whatever reason, more websites render oddly in Firefox/Gecko than in Chrome/Webkit. 3) Chrome, being a part of the Google ec…

Maybe sites would render correctly in Firefox if more web developers used it as a primary browser, rather than just for "testing". ;)

Haha, yes, that may well be true.
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