Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID” • Hacker News Board

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by ams6110 » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 12:51 PM UTC

scorpion032 wrote: post #107

Amadou wrote: post #90

How does Facebook intend to validate these government IDs? I'm pretty sure they can't. They want you to send a scan of some photo-id - that means that all the anti-tamper / anti-forgery tech that might be on the actual ID will be non-existent. If you are lying about who you are, it will take about 10 minutes in photoshop to come up with something that will pass their test. Are there any countries that even provide va…

The same argument could be made for house hold locks. An experienced lock smith could open an average house hold lock in probably minutes. (not to forget most people are neither skilled lock smiths nor photoshop editors) That doesn't mean a locked home isn't secure. Most people would never think about breaching such a social contract and breaking in locks. If one wants to break in or if one wants to lie, one can alwa…

Quick startup opportunity, generate "photo ids" for people to use on Facebook. $0.99 per.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by welly » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 12:53 PM UTC

harryf wrote: post #70

vincie wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear ya. And you know, I've come across a few morons who insinuated to me that I am anti-social and have Aspergers' because of my resistance to using Facebook. I think this is the genesis of it all: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184658/Is-joining-F...

All privacy questions aside, I quit Facebook simply because every time I used it, the "after taste" was that I'd wasted my time and made myself stupider in the process. The good news is "real life" still works perfectly fine for social interactions and a positive side effect is another source of distractions eliminated - I'm a fan of http://focusmanifesto.com/

> All privacy questions aside... ...I'd wasted my time and made myself stupider in the process.

You perhaps need to find smarter friends then.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by tehmaco » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 12:54 PM UTC

Isn't there a problem of copyright associated with Government ID?

In the UK, things like your passport are copyright to The Crown and there's official guidance[1] on how to go about getting permission to make copies of them.

I'd imagine other countries are the same. So Facebook is asking it's users to infringe government copyright.

[1] https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachm...

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by chris_wot » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 12:59 PM UTC

jimwalsh wrote: post #140

algorias wrote: post #2

With each passing day, I look less and less like a lunatic for avoiding facebook (and its ilk) like the plague. You should try it.

I love how the HN type of people come into Facebook threads like this claiming that using the site is bad and that they are above everyone for never using it. It's not that simple for people that aren't in the same circles as HN readers. Younger generations utilize it as their primary means of keeping in touch with people. That's fine if you get along well without it. But take a step back and look at all the teenager…

It might alleviate a few problems, but a. There are better solutions, and b. there are much, much worse problems caused by Facebook.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by schrodinger » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 1:03 PM UTC

grey-area wrote: post #120

sneak wrote: post #100

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> If they can't be bothered, they are not your friends. This is demonstrably false, and suggests that you don't like people very much.

This is demonstrably false And yet you have neglected to demonstrate it. No misanthropy here thanks, you should adjust your assumptions. Perhaps we just disagree on the meaning of the word friend - I'd take it to mean someone who you know outside of FB and via other means of communication, someone who is willing to put in the minimal effort of emailing/texting/calling to contact you individually? Someone who doesn't…

It's not binary. That someone might still be a good friend, and be willing to communicate by different means for one on one conversations. But it's easy to forget when you're setting up an event and inviting a large group, that one of your friends won't see it and you'll have to contact them individually.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by 02 » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 1:08 PM UTC

Fuxy wrote: post #64

:)) I don't upload images/scans of important documents on the internet what makes Facebook think they're special. I use my card online (because i have to) and I'm constantly checking my accounts for shady transactions but there's no way in hell I share my id on the internet. Every bit-coin website that asked for this lost my business and if Facebook does the same will happen to them.

I doubt they think they're special. I doubt they think you're special either.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by jimwalsh » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 1:28 PM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #144

jimwalsh wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how the HN type of people come into Facebook threads like this claiming that using the site is bad and that they are above everyone for never using it. It's not that simple for people that aren't in the same circles as HN readers. Younger generations utilize it as their primary means of keeping in touch with people. That's fine if you get along well without it. But take a step back and look at all the teenager…

It might alleviate a few problems, but a. There are better solutions, and b. there are much, much worse problems caused by Facebook.

I agree with both, there are cases that support that. But in general it is a very valuable tool for kids trying to fit in during their pre/early teen years.

Now teaching kids how to properly use technology and social media is another aspect that many non-tech savy parents could use some coaching I think.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by ansgri » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 1:30 PM UTC

frio wrote: post #42

algorias wrote: post #23

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For younger generations who grew up with this kind of tech, it's just not conceivable. For them, Facebook is a synonym for having contact with their friends. In a discussion we once had in class, I mentioned that an option that hadn't been listed besides Facebook, Google+, Diaspora, etc was "none of the above". I got bewildered stares of disbelief in return.

Maybe. This is rapidly becoming less true. I had to give a talk at a school the other day ("tech is cool, join the tech industry!") and the bulk of the students didn't have Facebook accounts -- because their parents are on it. Maybe that'll change when they reach a University age, but it was striking how few of them used it.

Now that's a really good point. No self-respecting kid will use the same _one-to-many_ platform to communicate with friends and parents. Maybe they'll add some convenient 'Circles' feature, but the association with 'those old people' will remain.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by hobs » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 1:30 PM UTC

jimwalsh wrote: post #140

algorias wrote: post #2

With each passing day, I look less and less like a lunatic for avoiding facebook (and its ilk) like the plague. You should try it.

I love how the HN type of people come into Facebook threads like this claiming that using the site is bad and that they are above everyone for never using it. It's not that simple for people that aren't in the same circles as HN readers. Younger generations utilize it as their primary means of keeping in touch with people. That's fine if you get along well without it. But take a step back and look at all the teenager…

I understand your point, but it IS that simple. My social network completely uses facebook, I do not. They invite me to things in person and respect my choice, and if they didn't, they would not be my social network.

It seems you are talking about boils down to peer pressure ... how many after school specials about how not to give in do we need?

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by arjn » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 1:34 PM UTC

algorias wrote: post #2

With each passing day, I look less and less like a lunatic for avoiding facebook (and its ilk) like the plague. You should try it.

Amen to that. I've been off facebook and orkut since early 2008 and have not regretted it for one moment. I get some mild flak from friends once in a while but they all know how to contact me if they want to.