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Revealed: Qatar's World Cup 'slaves'

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Re: Revealed: Qatar's World Cup 'slaves'

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Post by tantalor »

philwelch wrote: post #138
tantalor wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like the season is not the reason for the complaint, but that the tournament would interfere with local competition. So confused by this, why would they ask for their World Cup pitch costs as compensation? That ship has sailed.

The argument is that they bid for a World Cup scheduled for June and July of 2022, so if the World Cup is not in fact scheduled for those dates, it was fraudulent for FIFA to solicit bids under the premise that it is.

So they'd have to refund everybody by that logic.

Re: Revealed: Qatar's World Cup 'slaves'

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Post by wooter »

bjhoops1 wrote: post #129
wooter wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hold up. in no way is/was Saipan a paradise of libertarian economic governance. From your article: "If we complain, then our bosses would send us back to China and take away all of our money. Our families need the money." No libertarian I know, me included, would object to (rather, we would support) massive penalties for any entity that engaged in such behavior. Additionally, Jack Abramoff and Tom Delay are the exact…

And how do you imagine these "massive penalties" would be enforced? Perhaps by government regulation? Can't recall the last time I heard a Libertarian talk about a lack of that, or say anything favorable about labor unions. I think a lot of Libertarians think of Libertarianism as economic Conservatism, except it all works out magically because Free Markets and legal marijuana! Both sides tend to have an misplaced tru…

"Free Markets and legal marijuana!" You're clearly not interested in having a civil discussion. If I were as childish as you, I would respond that you believe in "Socialism and the Drug war!" (both proven failures)

I am only replying for the sake of people who may not have been introduced to Libertarianism.

Libertarianism is absolutely reliant on property rights and contract rights. Both of which must be enforced by a government and were violated in the example above. The huge penalties would be levied by a court.

The regulation that most Libertarians oppose is more akin to the current situation. There are vast regulations on Wall Street (and resources expended putting them in place) but when rampant fraud becomes evident not a single prosecution is made. In the meantime, the barrier to entry is raised and competition is stifled with further meaningless regulation as the Government sells it self to special interests (while claiming "reform"). Other examples: illegal wars, illegal torture, illegal surveillance. No one held accountable.

Your post amounts to "you're against meaningless/hurtful regulation? anarchy doesnt work!!!"

Re: Revealed: Qatar's World Cup 'slaves'

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Post by derleth »

rayiner wrote: post #126
derleth wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, do you want a replay of Iraq or a replay of Vietnam?

Iran. Crippling economic sanctions and concerted isolation.

> Iran. Crippling economic sanctions and concerted isolation.

And decades later, Iran still hasn't changed.

Re: Revealed: Qatar's World Cup 'slaves'

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Post by derleth »

cabalamat wrote: post #127
derleth wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you want the US to invade Qatar? Maybe establish a puppet government? Or just invade, leave, and see what happens?

> Do you want the US to invade Qatar? I don't want anyone to invade anywhere.

> I don't want anyone to invade anywhere.

So what do you want to happen?

Re: Revealed: Qatar's World Cup 'slaves'

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Post by morgante »

contingencies wrote: post #135
morgante wrote: post #22

As someone who lives in the Emirates, I have to object to the allegation of "slaves." This is not slavery. It's indentured servitude, which is definitely distressing but not quite of the same character. Most importantly, in the talks I've had with workers, the vast majority of them still are happy to have these jobs despite the conditions. They're paid an order of magnitude more than they make in Nepal and if you go…

For a mere 20 year old, you sure speak with advanced lashings of ponce and confidence on subjects of which you know not.

> For a mere 20 year old, you sure speak with advanced lashings of ponce and confidence on subjects of which you know not.

Having lived in the gulf and thoroughly read the human rights reports in the region, I'd wager I know a lot more about the situation than most HN commenters. But sure, go ahead an attack my age. Everyone knows ad hominem attacks are the best kind.

Re: Revealed: Qatar's World Cup 'slaves'

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Post by rayiner »

derleth wrote: post #143
rayiner wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran. Crippling economic sanctions and concerted isolation.

> Iran. Crippling economic sanctions and concerted isolation. And decades later, Iran still hasn't changed.

I don't care if they ever change, I just think it debases us to cozy up to them.

Re: Revealed: Qatar's World Cup 'slaves'

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Post by cabalamat »

derleth wrote: post #144
cabalamat wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you want the US to invade Qatar? I don't want anyone to invade anywhere.

> I don't want anyone to invade anywhere. So what do you want to happen?

FIFA could tell Qatar that they're not getting the World Cup unless they clean up their act.

On a wider note, Western countries could refuse to do business with companies and countries involved in serious human rights violations.

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