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A beginner's cheat sheet for web development

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Re: A beginner's cheat sheet for web development

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Post by vinceguidry »

adamdavis wrote: post #118
seldo wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How popular is ASP as a stack? I'm looking at http://langpop.corger.nl/ http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.... http://langpop.com/ https://sites.google.com/site/pydatalog/pypl/PyPL-PopularitY... And ASP doesn't make the list, presumably because it is a framework rather than a language per se -- both C# and Visual Basic make the list, but that's not really a good indicator. I don't really know…

Correct, ASP wouldn't make (it onto) those lists in the same way I don't see Rails / Django on those lists, just their parent languages, python and ruby. On the site referenced in this HN submission (bentobox) frameworks and not just their parent languages are represented. To answer the question posed, I wouldn't know where to begin to provide a good metric for gauging it's (ASP / MVC.net) or any other frameworks / l…

Rails and Django are both on there.

Re: A beginner's cheat sheet for web development

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Post by AsymetricCom »

dragonwriter wrote: post #139
AsymetricCom wrote: post #137

Love all these new technologies that are hardly proven in production and many have been proven to have fundamental design problems leading to security issues that cannot be engineered around without breaking the flexibility offered by the technology, such as PHP and Ruby. JSON and XML are just data formats, there's nothing special to know about them other than that a lot of stupid enterprises decided that they are st…

> Considering that Javascript isn't even a defined standard (although ECMAScript is) ECMAScript isn't a different language than Javascript, its just the name on the standard for the language (IIRC, the name is because of the trademark Sun had -- and Oracle now has -- on "JavaScript" [1].) [1] http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75026640&caseType=SERIAL_N...

> ECMAScript isn't a different language than Javascript

That's not true, Javascript is what is implemented in various browsers under the standards those developers choose to implement. If ECMAScript was the same thing, then why would Mozilla bother licensing Javascript from Oracle?

Considering all these tools are just development platforms for THE WEB? Shouldn't you be learning how the Web works so you know what you're actually building? No mention anywhere here of ports, REST, SOAP, caching (like I dunno, nginx which is now on what? like 75% of internet facing web hosts?)

These so called technologies are shit, as proven in various papers on the subject. All you'll be doing is laying the groundwork for your enterprise to get hacked and taken over by large corporations using older, more secure and proven technologies.

Re: A beginner's cheat sheet for web development

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Post by adamdavis »

vinceguidry wrote: post #141
adamdavis wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct, ASP wouldn't make (it onto) those lists in the same way I don't see Rails / Django on those lists, just their parent languages, python and ruby. On the site referenced in this HN submission (bentobox) frameworks and not just their parent languages are represented. To answer the question posed, I wouldn't know where to begin to provide a good metric for gauging it's (ASP / MVC.net) or any other frameworks / l…

Rails and Django are both on there.

I think you misunderstand me. Rails nor Django are on any of the lists contained in the comment to which I replied to. I explicitly acknowledged their existence in the site that this thread is about.

edit: The point of mentioning that frameworks weren't included in any of those lists was in response to the parent reply questioning the popularity of the (ASP) framework as he /she didn't see it in any of those lists of language popularity that they cited.

Re: A beginner's cheat sheet for web development

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Post by FLUX-YOU »

recusancy wrote: post #125
FLUX-YOU wrote: post #30

Since a portion of beginners are interested in employment, I wonder how much of this sheet needs to be 'filled in' to become employable at a minimum, junior position? I've found that the threshold between beginner -> employable is really fuzzy and that's a bit frustrating.

Can you build stuff that is useful and useable? That's the line. Not how many boxes you can check off.

"Well, I wrote a python script for this thing once..."

These are still subjective qualifiers though. Useful for who? Useable by which audience? I can easily do both given no other constraints (especially ignoring time). Useful and usable, but never used because chances are someone's done it better and there's no reason to reinvent the wheel.

Other answers I've received have piled additional frameworks or languages on top of what I already know, or suggest specific projects that encompass a wide range of requirements.

Re: A beginner's cheat sheet for web development

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Post by jholman »

brd wrote: post #109
shawn-furyan wrote: post #103

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> The title and the pitch on the actual site are kind of disingenuous [...] > please don't take my critique too critically. If you don't mean to critique harshly, then please choose a word other than "disingenuous". I see the word misused a lot to mean something like "misleading", but it actually means that the author intentionally, duplicitously was trying to mislead the user. It is an insult used to question the in…

You do realize that when you look up the synonyms to misleading you get many of the same results, right? I'm sorry that you feel the word disingenuous has too strong a negative connotation but I won't curb my speech because of your opinion. If I were to follow that line of thinking I'd have also used a word other than critique because many people foster the opinion that it too has a strictly negative connotation.

Disingenuous means "not of noble character", and more generally means things along the lines of "deliberately dishonest". "Disingenuous" does not mean "misleading, maybe by accident". It's an attack on someone's character.

So, if you wanted to say "misleading, maybe accidentally", you used the wrong word.

Maybe over time, people are evolving toward using the four-syllable word as a one-to-one replacement for the three-syllable word, as a way of disingenuously suggesting they're better educated than they are? If so, eventually, that'll be the most common usage, and thus what the word "means". I don't think we're there yet.

I came for the pedantry, but I'll stay for an opinion: For myself, I agree with the wording you used in the first comment, that calling that list "everything you need to know about web development" is such a high degree of bullshit that no one of noble character would do that. I believe it to be deliberately deceptive self-promotion.

Back on the pedantry, I find it hard to believe that you actually meant "foster" where you wrote that. I mean, who cares how many people foster the opinion that "critique" has a strictly negative connotation... isn't the real issue how many people hold that opinion?

Re: A beginner's cheat sheet for web development

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Post by bpp4dt »

jonhmchan wrote: post #57
bpp4dt wrote: post #46

I've always been looking for something like this to send to friends wanting to learn to code. A couple of recommended This step by step guide to learning Github: http://www.thinkful.com/learn/a-guide-to-using-github-pages/ My first [hilarious] exposure to Ruby http://mislav.uniqpath.com/poignant-guide/book/chapter-1.htm... Eloquent Javascript [built in console with examples]: https://eloquentjavascript.net/contents.h…

I could really use your help putting this on there! (All the sudden there are so many changes to do haha) Make a pull request if you can! https://github.com/JonHMChan/bento/blob/gh-pages/content.js

will do! great job on this project :)

Re: A beginner's cheat sheet for web development

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Post by eaurouge »

Here's an idea. Let each box 'expand', perhaps to its own page. This way, if you want to dig deeper, you can find more resources in the expanded box. You can let users suggest resources with an 'add' button; users can vote for resources so the best ones bubble to the top. You could take this further and break each resource list into beginner, intermediate, advanced.
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