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Re: We Need To Talk, Google

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post #113

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If you're giving Youtube comments as a shining example of quality and stimulating comment, I guess something is totally wrong in this world. Even with the new rating system, the comments on Youtube are the best example of human stupidity.

Its not about stimulation, it about ranking and feedback. Comments like 'This sucks' are also good.

I disagree. That sounds like a pretty useless comment to me being that you can already like or dislike a video. It's redundant.

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

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post #113

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I don't want that! I want to remain anonymous to help improve the content of youtube without exposing myself to risk. For example I might want to post something bad about a competitor's youtube video, which will contribute to the discussion but I don't want my affiliation or name to distract from this conversation. The real problem is that the elimination of privacy that Google has so meticulously pursued has left th…

If you're giving Youtube comments as a shining example of quality and stimulating comment, I guess something is totally wrong in this world. Even with the new rating system, the comments on Youtube are the best example of human stupidity.

That may be so, but the real name policy still has detrimental effects for some users. For example, I've stopped giving reviews to anything on google. Why? I don't want the things I like and dislike, and use broadcast to the world.

Why should the entire planet know where I like to eat? Where I live? What I do in my spare time with apps? What my hobbies are? This is a massive privacy loss, and thus I don't review anything on google's platform.

Anonymous reviews have value, even if they are more susceptible to being gamed.

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

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I still do not understand why google is trying to force everyone to use google +. The other day, I tried to give a great review for an app that i purchased from google play but couldn't because it required that I sign up for google plus..that just doesn't make sense.

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

#144
post #11

This is a good example of a "forced" or "assisted" conversion. The user really doesn't want to do it, they just want to view the damn YouTube video. Google is employing these same optimization techniques elsewhere. I've noticed very subtle, and consequently expensive, things that have been done with Adwords. There is a simple solution to this, which unfortunately castrates Google's entire platform. Its the same reaso…

> * It is also why I have to tell my friends I can't view their Youtube link because it says I have to sign in.*

You can avoid this by deleting assorted Google cookies. It only tells you to log in because Google is tracking/recognizing you anyway, even when you're logged out, because of their cookies.

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

#145

You should try to build own your video hosting site or SHUT UP. At least Youtube is free, the last time I checked F-Secure was not, so SHUT UP! or build your own :)

You've an interesting perspective.

So, in your mind, someone shouldn't complain about something unless he/she has tried to build his/her own version of it?

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

#147
post #30

Google used to be the wunderkind, I remember when absolutely everything they touched was gold...and now they seem to have so much stuff that is broken across so many products. Alot of it is just dumb stuff and the rest is stuff that should have been caught. This is the last week.. Google Apps Admin Interface - It's an unnavigable mess, I use it so seldom that it's not familiarity or the lack of that makes me hate the…

Not to mention YouTube is all but unusable now. I understand that this may be local ISPs trying to kill YouTube by throttling it. But all I know is that I have a 75/35 Mbps account from Verizon FIOS and everything else is unbelievably fast but YouTube which hardly ever works anymore during peak times.

I switched to HTML5 video for youtube because I don't have flash on this machine. Initially I couldn't watch about 30% of videos because "flash player is required". Now it's closer to 90% - either because "flash player is required" or "this video is unavailable" - and yet the youtube-dl script still works. Stop lying to me, Google!

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

#148

Google is simply trying to unify their services. YouTube was an acquisition, with it's own login system and social network. They don't want to maintain this separation forever, they want a single signon for everything. Ditto for sharing and contacts. You had separate 'contacts' in Gmail, Latitude, G+, Reader, YouTube, and probably others I'm missing. Users shouldn't be prompted to maintain N different copies of this…

> Google is simply trying to unify their services That's silly. If they wanted to unify their services, they'd turn youtube channels into G+ profiles. And they'd do it without any hassle for the users. I'm sorry, but it's obvious that Google is desperately trying to inflate their G+ profile numbers by any means they can devise, because they won't admit to themselves that they've already lost the social network battle…

Turning a YouTube channel into a G+ profile doesn't fix it. YouTube channels are often owned and managed by multiple people. A G+ profile is a user identity, G+ pages represent places or things. So you'd then force everyone to have a separate G+ account just for their YT channel so that they can share non-personal login credentials with other people managing this.

This if anything would inflate G+ profile numbers more.

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

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Wow so much hate for Google lately. I'm not so sure about these people claiming the "NSA thing" has nothing to do with these feelings their having. I'm also not to sure why the author is upset. It seems to me that the request Google sent to link the Youtube account with Google+ WAS asking whether or not the account was an individual (and wanted to use G+). It seems to me that this is someone either doing this without thinking or really reading it, or accidentally and then getting mad about it. IIRC, I believe I've done this once before with a Gmail account and figured out a way to reverse it. I remember they didn't make it easy though.

Re: We Need To Talk, Google

#150
post #106

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Even if different properties have different profiles, Google will still have access to each more then enough data to create these clever integrations in the future. I don't even mind if they have a hidden 'aggregate' profile they use for those features. The frustration comes from removing the option of customizing my profile for each service.

Banana72 shared a YouTube video with you...? What the hell? Banana72...? Oh, right, on YouTube VikingCoder is called Banana72. I think you're asking for a feature which would confuse the hell out of most users.

"Who the hell is VikingCoder? hmm... if I click here, and here... and cross-reference these histories... yeah, looks like that's the Nicaraquan guy I talked with last week in Counter-Strike after researching fruit flies. Banana something, I think he called himself."
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