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Re: Lousy web design trends that are making a comeback due to HTML5

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Post by pronoiac » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 7:15 AM UTC

networked wrote: post #116

jakub_g wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This should be regulated somehow (yeah, I know, I sound like an 19th century guy). But probably lobbyist won't give up on that easily. I have disabled all that crap in my adblock, but there are millions of people who are not that savvy / aware etc. My friend from Germany told me that in some (but not all) the pages, there are dummy social buttons loaded by default, you have to "enable" them. Try any article at [1]. I…

>there are dummy social buttons loaded by default, you have to "enable" them Neat. This looks like a very reasonable way to go if you decide to have social buttons. Is there a ready-made solution for this?

I personally like Socialite.js.[1] I'm the tech guy for a pop culture blogger,[2] and it's in use there, with a small customization to trigger on hover rather than on a click. It feels polite to the privacy-minded (like me), legal all around the world, and it uses less CPU and bandwidth by default.

[1] http://socialitejs.com

[2] http://mightygodking.com

Re: Lousy web design trends that are making a comeback due to HTML5

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Post by NuZZ » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 9:23 AM UTC

pkorzeniewski wrote: post #14

What strikes me most is how websites are visually getting more and more minimalistic and at the same time they're loading and working slower. For example The New York Times [1] layout is as simple as possible (basically text only with some images), but it loads 20 JS files, 13 CSS files, makes ~200 requests and uses ~14 MB of memory on load. [1] http://www.nytimes.com/

My god. How underpaid were the web devs of this site? They must have gotten to the point where they could proclaim "It works now!", then thats when the funding must have been got cut off. It's that or, they are just bad. Meanwhile, the site looks bad.

It's really, really not hard to use image sprites (not necessary here); merged JS and merged CSS.

Re: Lousy web design trends that are making a comeback due to HTML5

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Post by Wintamute » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 12:12 PM UTC

anigbrowl wrote: post #113

Wintamute wrote: post #78

Who are these people that want the web to be some sort of sterile, perfectly conformist, UX's wet dream? Flash is still warm in its grave, and people are already blaming it for crimes that HTML5 hasn't even really made yet. Don't get me wrong, when the function of a website is to perform a task or convert users into paying customers then by all means streamline the crap out of it. The sites that do that well will suc…

I want the web to provide access to a wide variety of information. I would much prefer the option to consume that as I choose, not to have everything gift-wrapped by force. An awful lot of design is a distraction from the content it is supposed to present. Look, you wouldn't like it if every different document you opened or site you looked at took it upon itself to restyle your desktop and rearrange all your Photosho…

When you hit somebody else's server, use their bandwidth and download their stuff I'd say its only fair that they at least get total control over how it displays and behaves by default in a browser. You're totally free to not hit that server if the presentation of the content offends you, or alternatively use a RSS reader or similar.

I'm not arguing against a semantic web, but I will argue in favour of people being able to present and serve their content in any way they see fit. One page JS web app? Fine. 100% Flash microsite? Fine. Crazy Chrome only WebGL/NativeClient art experiment? Fine. Streamlined standards compliant site conveying great semantic value? Also fine. We need all of these. People can vote with their feet and we achieve progress. Like humanity the beauty of the web is the freedom and variety it offers.

Re: Lousy web design trends that are making a comeback due to HTML5

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Post by walshemj » Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 5:16 PM UTC

lchang wrote: post #131

walshemj wrote: post #130

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its old school publishers who often have very little idea what they are doing and have sclerotic development processes 9 week sprints! in one case. One site I worked on did not manage to sort out a redirect of its .net version of its domain and its over 2 Years since a flagged this as a high priority problem.

Yes, but the New York Times employs top-notch webdevs. See http://open.blogs.nytimes.com/ and http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2012/snow-fall/ So they have the skills, but maybe it's for other reasons they don't follow those practices.

There is a world of difference between doing a cute vanity project that works for say 99% of the time but doesn't mean that they buckle down and do the hard work involved delivering a major publishers site.

Another example Google has a lot of smart people but they cant parse a robots.txt file with a BOM in it.

Re: Lousy web design trends that are making a comeback due to HTML5

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Post by jakub_g » Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 9:08 PM UTC

networked wrote: post #116

jakub_g wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This should be regulated somehow (yeah, I know, I sound like an 19th century guy). But probably lobbyist won't give up on that easily. I have disabled all that crap in my adblock, but there are millions of people who are not that savvy / aware etc. My friend from Germany told me that in some (but not all) the pages, there are dummy social buttons loaded by default, you have to "enable" them. Try any article at [1]. I…

>there are dummy social buttons loaded by default, you have to "enable" them Neat. This looks like a very reasonable way to go if you decide to have social buttons. Is there a ready-made solution for this?

Heise implemented and opensourced just this week sth very similar to what I've posted: http://www.h-online.com/features/Two-clicks-for-more-privacy...