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Re: Andrew Mason's statement about being fired as Groupon CEO

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And if I remember correctly, Eric Lefkofsky was one of the investors who cashed out ~$1billion (!) of his Groupon shares during one of their last VC rounds. I'm surprised they were able to do that, but so many people were killing themselves to be a part of the deal that Eric was able to push this slimy deal through. How any rational VC allows early investors to do that is beyond me... Nothing against the guy (I have…

Taking cash off the table is not seen as a negative signal if done systematically.

Read the links I posted. Much of the last round of funding went to them instead of to Groupon.

So, in a way, they took money that could have been used to grow/invest in Groupon away. So this is not your normal "diversifying the portfolio" move.

Re: Andrew Mason's statement about being fired as Groupon CEO

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It's not one bad year. Every year they've had, from a profit perspective, has been a bad year. We just didn't know how unstable the business model was when they were private. By the time merchants had a chance to figure out what selling a Groupon actually gets them (which for most is little more than a huge headache and a loss of money) Groupon was a public company. Groupon built this massive juggernaut on a shaky pr…

Interesting argument. Seeing as Mason created from scratch a company valued at around $20B using Lefkofsky's seed investment of $1M, it seems to me like a very respectable accomplishment. Whether the current business model is viable and how much they need to pivot if they do, that's hard to tell without walking a mile in their shoes. But if I only had to bet on one horse, I'd pick the one that has a proven record for…

Well, no. He used Lefkosky's $1m, plus about $1.14 billion in venture funding to make a company that is now worth about $2.8 billion.

Groupon's market cap was just under $13b at IPO I think. Now it's under $3b. Losing 75%+ of your value isn't an accomplishment in the eyes of the public market, it's a dismal failure.

Remember the original dot com bubble? Lots of startups grew to multibillion dollar valuations, some even in the public market, then flamed out. Is that a "very respectable accomplishment"?

Lefkosky took over because it's quite common for the board to lead the hunt for the new CEO. Who else would do it?

And even if you assume that Groupon was well-managed pre-IPO, rather than a Ponzi scheme that used VC capital to buy users and hype themselves into an IPO and then dump a loser of a company onto buyers from the public market, that still doesn't mean Mason's the guy to get them to the next stage. Some people are good early stage CEOs but not late. I quite suspect Mason is neither though.

Re: Andrew Mason's statement about being fired as Groupon CEO

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Re: Andrew Mason's statement about being fired as Groupon CEO

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Oh the tears of sorrow the poor guy will shed into his heated swimming pool after being ejected from such a respectable business , with 200 million to his name... I don't think I have been this touched ever since Lassie died.

Lassie died?!

Got stuck in a well after Jimmy went off to war. The new dog was a pug, and was averse to leaving the couch. The family assumed she ran away.

Re: Andrew Mason's statement about being fired as Groupon CEO

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Agreed - but I also suspect he's been writing this letter in his head for quite some time.

I think the guy knows his statement is going to be the lede of a lot of very popular news stories. I don't care who threw the grenade at this point, Mason jumped onto it. It's a great letter.

The first grenade was waiting to be jumped on almost two years ago. Then there were more grenades every quarter.

The only thing Andrew Mason's jumping on at this point is a pile of Scrooge McDuck money.

Re: Andrew Mason's statement about being fired as Groupon CEO

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Errrr... I'm not really getting the tenor of many of the comments here.

For one, look at what he isn't saying. But start with what we know.

He is being fired. That means he isn't leaving by choice, and most likely doesn't want to be leaving at all.

He is the CEO, and the CEO takes responsibility for the company's failures. Them's the rules of the game, for any leadership role. He is saying no more than that.

In particular, he never says he was wrong. He says he failed to continue being the successful CEO of this particular company. In fact, he somewhat obscurely implied that his intuition was right when what the company did turned out to be wrong. Why do you think the company did those things then? Did he tell it to, or did he lose the battle?

This letter was not written to us. It was written to the people at his company. People who are important to him. Which means it probably wasn't written for us either. The speculation that this is wholly a calculated move seem BS to me.

All that is just pointing out the known facts and suggesting likely deductions. More speculatively, I'd like to share my interpretation of the tone of the letter:

He's pissed. He's pissed but doesn't want to show it. He is staying well in control, writing a decent letter that puts something of himself into it but not too much, not enough to lose face or stir up conflict that could only harm the ones left behind. He's trying to bow out gracefully without capitulating, and I think he did a decent job of it. But this is no "wow, this guy is awesome, I bet he's learned some great lessons and I'd be stoked at the chance to work with him" letter. It's adequate, mainly admirable for hitting just the right level of adequacy when you know the guy probably wants to scream and rip someone or something's head off. He just got fired, dammit!

Re: Andrew Mason's statement about being fired as Groupon CEO

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Are you serious? Groupon misled investors for years about its real financial numbers, and Mason (along with the puppetmaster, Lefkofsky) made millions off the fake data. The humor in this letter hides the real damage done to investors.

Fake data? Give me a break. Groupon pioneered a new business model. With a new business model you need to account for things in ways they have never been accounted for before. While I'm not arguing their numbers didn't look shady at times, but it's because no one knew how to account for how the cash moved through Groupon's books because no one had ever done it before. Do you count the full price of the deal as revenu…

The problem with this argument has always been that the answers are clear to people with some business experience.

"Do you count the full price of the deal as revenue?"

Gross revenue? Sure. Net revenue? Of course not.

"Or do you count only Groupon's cut of the deal as revenue?"

Yes, as net revenue. Of course. Same as any marketing/advertising company.

"How often should they pay out the merchants?"

As slowly as possible, from Groupon's perspective. What was so amazing here was they essentially built an ad network where the inventory suppliers had zero power over the scenario and accepted unfavorable payment terms. Instead of getting paid net 30, they accepted net 90 or worse.

"How do you account for refunds?"

As credits to the expense account where the original purchase was posted, just like with any other business.

"Where do you keep the reserve pools GRoupon needed to pay out all those refunds?"

You don't have to keep it anywhere because they get marked as credits to the expense account. There's no need for a pool or any other sort of artifice. Creating a pool makes sense only to cloud what's going on.

"Are the reserve pools considered an asset?"

Of course not. But why do we have a pool again?

"Or a liability?"

Of course.

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Groupon did a lot of brilliant things. One of the smartest was realizing that though their model was no different from any other sort of ad network, since it wasn't immediately obvious to outsiders, and since their suppliers had so little power, they could make up new accounting rules and principles to generate favorable cash flows.

I don't write this to say this was wrong. It was brilliant. I want to disagree with the idea that they HAD to do this. They could have paid out net 30 and counted refunds like any other business, but they realized they could get away with not doing this for some time, and ran with it.

Re: Andrew Mason's statement about being fired as Groupon CEO

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Unless you have been in his position, running a multi-million dollar public company for the first time in your life, you don't know what mistakes you will make.

And? I would probably fail way sooner, and that wouldn't mean that making a funny departure letter should save my ass if I misled people.

clark-kent is right. Hindsight is 20/20. I'm sure we all know Tom Brady shouldn't have made that pass that caused the game losing interception, but its hard to say if you were in his shoes at that point, that you would have done it any differently/better.

Re: Andrew Mason's statement about being fired as Groupon CEO

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Errrr... I'm not really getting the tenor of many of the comments here. For one, look at what he isn't saying. But start with what we know. He is being fired. That means he isn't leaving by choice, and most likely doesn't want to be leaving at all. He is the CEO, and the CEO takes responsibility for the company's failures. Them's the rules of the game, for any leadership role. He is saying no more than that. In parti…

And not just fired from some place he worked at. Fired from a company he put more thought and time into over the past 5 years than anyone even puts into raising their own children.
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