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Google has indexed thousands of publicly accessible HP printers

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Re: Google has indexed thousands of publicly accessible HP printers

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And you think the owners of the printers really enjoy others using them like that? That all those IPs are set up like this on purpose?

Is there a fact we can examine to answer that/those questions?

If you have to ask the question, I think you already know the answer.

Re: Google has indexed thousands of publicly accessible HP printers

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I think that law dates back decades. I don't think it applies to non USPS carriers though. That said my Google-fu is weak against this particular law.

It's not a postal thing, I believe it's common law. If someone ships you something unsolicited, you are under no obligation to return the item or make payment.

Aha! "Unsolicited" was the missing piece in the Google puzzle. It's actually not common law. It's 39 USC § 3009: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/39/3009, and was passed in the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970.

I believe this was originally in response to shoe manufacturers mailing people shoes and then invoicing for them if they weren't sent back.

As for whether it applies to non-USPS shipments, I have strong doubts. The law says "mail", and my understanding is that because the USPS is a protected monopoly, non-USPS carriers are explicitly not mail services.

Re: Google has indexed thousands of publicly accessible HP printers

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post #141

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Is there a fact we can examine to answer that/those questions?

If you have to ask the question, I think you already know the answer.

The enjoyment or lack of it by the printer owners is probably not a valid legal argument.

Re: Google has indexed thousands of publicly accessible HP printers

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post #141

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If you have to ask the question, I think you already know the answer.

The enjoyment or lack of it by the printer owners is probably not a valid legal argument.

[Citation needed]

(also, how very considerate of you)

Re: Google has indexed thousands of publicly accessible HP printers

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I wrote a scriptable "chooser" when I was at Apple -- it let you programmatically find and select a printer to print to. I enumerated every printer on campus (about 900 of them at the time, I think), and came /this close/ to printing a snarky page -- a fake version of the "Five Star News" internal company news -- on each one of them. Decided not to; probably a good career move that I resisted that urge.

Asking from ignorance here, is there a common protocol in use to communicate with printers e.g. find, interact with (print) and query (ask for toner level for instance) them?

Seems it would make a valuable tool for managing a larger number of printers, to know when to switch the toner for instance.

Re: Google has indexed thousands of publicly accessible HP printers

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The nail that sticks up gets hammered. If someone else later does something bad with the publicly accessible printer and there's a witch hunt for the responsible party, and the only lead they have is that you emailed them about the possibility in advance...then they'll go after you, even though you were just trying to do a good thing. And if you're expecting the victim / police / legal system to understand that, tech…

Also, if someone really wanted to do something bad at least they would do it from Tor or a shadowy proxy from eastern Europe...

Yes, but a Good Samaritan probably wouldn't go to such lengths to hide their identity.

Re: Google has indexed thousands of publicly accessible HP printers

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I'm a little unclear as to how how exactly they planned to enforce payment for un-solicited toner. What am I missing?

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus24-avoiding-office-supp... They threaten, talk to A/P directly and demand payment (skipping over the original agent), all sorts of ways.

How long ago was this written? They make reference to ordering typewriter ribbons ...

Re: Google has indexed thousands of publicly accessible HP printers

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http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus24-avoiding-office-supp... They threaten, talk to A/P directly and demand payment (skipping over the original agent), all sorts of ways.

How long ago was this written? They make reference to ordering typewriter ribbons ...

The PDF says March of 2000, but it was probably around for decades beforehand :)

Re: Google has indexed thousands of publicly accessible HP printers

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I think the Sony TV's offer an onscreen pop-up before accepting commands from unregistered DLNA controllers although maybe that can be faked (and maybe there is a flaw, I've never explored it deeply).

Mine doesn't. Bravia EX series.

If you want to tell me model numbers I'll have a think about why that may be. Used to work in Prduct Planning for them although didn't have any role specifying this feature I was aware of it.
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