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What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project
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Linus doesn't say things like that. If you don't understand the difference of context, well, look again!
He does. This was pretty nasty. http://shutupmauro.com/
Yelling at someone you're in an argument with is a world away from picking on a stranger.
(It's not necessarily good, but it is categorically different behavior.)
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I mostly agree with you but it seems to me elitist behaviour like this has a lot of tacit acceptance among developers. I have seen it many times in my career, and have also noticed that workplaces where is is not acceptable tend to make everyone more productive.
It's a people problem, not a developer problem. Watch the gossip magazines trash actors' clothes and haircuts.
Good point, but some communities seem more civil than others. I went from theoretical computer science to development and there was a noticeable drop in civility. Of course the theoretical computer science community is tiny when compared to software development.
I'm loving the great supportive comments in this thread however.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mostly agree with you but it seems to me elitist behaviour like this has a lot of tacit acceptance among developers. I have seen it many times in my career, and have also noticed that workplaces where is is not acceptable tend to make everyone more productive.
It's a people problem, not a developer problem. Watch the gossip magazines trash actors' clothes and haircuts.
> Watch the gossip magazines trash actors' clothes and haircut
And also reading some of the more interesting messages on the Linux Kernel mailing lists, specifically messages by Linus. It's sometimes entertaining to read them and the responses in defense of Linus because he's awesome. I wonder what the reactions from HN would be if it was Linus, or some really high profile programmer, making these comments?
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#147As the lead developer for Cryptocat, this sure rung a bell for me.
There's something to be said about encouraging people to use crypto software that might not be well-written, though. To me, it's fine to write whatever you want in any language you want, but if you write an application and market it as "communicate securely and anonymously", or any kind of software that could put people's lives at risk, really--like Tor--you should be confident it is secure, i.e. that you know how to get it right. You are literally putting people's lives at risk, not just writing software that might be buggy, or which some people might not find useful.
IMO, the "lol, look at this, pathetic" for using node.js is inexcusable (regardless of what your opinion about node.js, and for the record, mine isn't favorable), but "X application has serious security holes in their software that could put you at risk. Don't use it" is not. For example, I don't consider this "bullying": http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/08/cryptocat.html
All this being said, I'm glad you powered through (https://blog.crypto.cat/2012/08/moving-to-a-browser-app-mode...) and solved the issues. OTR is awesome, and most of the critics have come around, AFAICT. Many others don't listen to this kind of feedback, and so deserve the critique all the more.
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#148You know, reading the various devs' tweets, they use twitter in a way that is completely foreign to me. Is there anything these guys think that they don't tweet? ("Hey, who's picking me up from the hotel?" is not something I'd ever announce to the world at large.)
This incident shows a danger of working that way--one of these guys apparently had a rude little thought best kept private--and let's admit it, we all have those thoughts at one time or another. But because he tweets everything, that little passing thought was pushed to the world, which is not good for anyone involved.
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#149Which is funny because the guy pictured, Steve Kablink, has this sentence on his about me page:
> Most of my software development work is in teaching these days. I run classes with Jumpstart Lab, and make Hackety Hack
You'd think a "teacher" wouldn't act like this - but so arrogance goes.
With open source - your complaints are worth zero which is the exact same price you paid for the software.
Help others with pull requests/contributions - or shut the hell up.
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#150> Steve Klabnik @steveklabnik > @harthvader @zeeg nothing's _wrong_ with it, but I don't want to build my app on top of others' code who are at this level of understanding This message [1] in particular is absolutely disgusting. Someone hacked together a script that met their needs, and threw it up onto GitHub in case anyone else found it useful? Yes, let's take the opportunity to condescendingly insult their mental…
Steve Klabnik:
"I find it incredibly hard not to be judgmental.
I'm not sure what part of my personality makes this happen, but even when I try to curb tearing down other people, I end up doing it anyway. I'm not sure if it's just me, but I think part of the problem is that these kinds of things are rewarded."
http://blog.steveklabnik.com/posts/2010-09-24-trolling-is-a-...