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European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by hardlianotion »

BonerWiener wrote: post #117
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There will always be extremists on both sides of the political spectrum. The problem is quite simple: people swing more to one side or another if their voices are not heard. The current boogeyman is the growth of the far-right in Europe. But that could have been prevented if the EU did not have an open-doors migration policy to start with. And to have listened to the people on other issues too.

> But that could have been prevented if the EU did not have an open-doors migration policy to start with. And to have listened to the people on other issues too. I believe there are more nuances to this, then simply blaming it on immigration policies. There are a lot of variables in place for why far right movements are and have been on the rise in the EU. And I certainly believe the issues could've been handled bett…

> Aren't we as a western society responsible for the destruction and destabiliztion of the eastern countries?

How far do you want to go back?

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by m101 »

When I was young and naive I voted to remain in the EU in the brexit referendum. Since then I’ve learned a few things and realise the EU is not an institution to be affiliated with politically. In terms of what we did with the opportunity we had - we totally dropped the ball.

It’s just so disappointing how the EU is still so popular across Europe.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by trinsic2 »

ajb wrote: post #108
wbl wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more democratic the EU the less sovereign legitimacy countries have. That's the tension that makes Euroskeptic parties oppose reforms.

There is a dilemma, but I don't think it's loss of legitimacy so much as authority. They are quite similar but not the same; an institution that loses authority but is still legitimate, and there is potential for it to regain authority (like the strategic concept of a "fleet in being"). But for many states, they have significantly greater power by virtue of being in the EU than they would without. Arguably, even the…

>But for many states, they have significantly greater power by virtue of being in the EU than they would without. Arguably, even the UK lost power by leaving.

What kind of loss of power are you referring to?

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by trinsic2 »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #100
AnssiH wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"ChatControl 1.0" is entirely voluntary so there is much less opposition in parliament.

There was opposition in parliament, though. It was only passed because they snuck it in while MPs had left for summer vacation, and the parliamentary rules are absolutely pants-on-head idiotic and default to passing proposed legislation if a majority of all MPs do not vote it down (rather than merely the ones present). In other words, they passed it by default without achieving any kind of majority, because there wer…

I still dont understand how a thing that passes this way has any legitimacy? Cant the EU just not allow it to be enforced?

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by trinsic2 »

vladms wrote: post #122
BonerWiener wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But that could have been prevented if the EU did not have an open-doors migration policy to start with. And to have listened to the people on other issues too. I believe there are more nuances to this, then simply blaming it on immigration policies. There are a lot of variables in place for why far right movements are and have been on the rise in the EU. And I certainly believe the issues could've been handled bett…

To be honest immigration happened forever because people look for a better place to live. The able, hard working and entrepreneurial ones bring a lot to the countries they immigrate to. So, I do not see immigration as "a problem". Additionally Europe's natality is not great, it needs people working. So many enterprises in Europe are happy with that. Why is immigration presented as a problem? Because it is easy, does…

Certain parts of the UK is using that exact same approach it seems like. They are gaslighting there own populace by bringing in immigrants to take over work that is being stalled by protests and the only people that are noticing are the people that are the activists.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by trinsic2 »

jbstack wrote: post #32

With all the current concerns about rogue and mis-aligned AI, and about how we've made essentially zero progress on making sure that AI is safe and trustworthy, NOW you want to put backdoors in encryption algorithms? We should be doing everything we possibly can to make our systems more secure, not less. This type of policy was terrible when they first thought of it. Now it's outright negligent and dangerous.

There are people in the background that are benefiting from all this and it seems to me that its not limited to just one country. Someone knows that weakening all of these systems globally has a lot to gain.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by trinsic2 »

petre wrote: post #6
microtonal wrote: post #3

Is the actual text of the workplan somewhere? The linked article refers to the text more effective tools for law enforcement in the press release and then infers or implies that this means more encryption backdoors, but I could not find that in an actual EU text? (Edit: I'm not doubting that they want to make backdoors mandatory, I'd just like to see the actual text.)

It's linked in the second paragraph of article. More effective tools for law enforcement and stronger JHA agencies Law enforcement needs the right tools to be effective. And with 85% of criminal investigations relying on digital information, this includes lawful access to data: … · A Roadmap on lawful and effective access to data for law enforcement, · A Technology Roadmap on encryption, and an impact assessment with…

> lawful access

I have heard this term used before. I think in the chat control stuff.

Its a red herring term. More like unlawful access and they don't want people to suspect that they are trying to illegally break and harm communications

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