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U.S. gov't moves to suppress pushback on data centers

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Post by preg_match »

consensus1 wrote: post #137
preg_match wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very simple: just take some of the existing capital and invest it towards the grid, then build the datacenter. The problem with the grid isn't electricity stealing. It's that the grid literally cannot support the amount of datacenters being built. It's not a matter of opinion, just numbers. So why won't AI companies do just that, invest in the grid? Well they want the datacenters now , not 10 years from now. I t…

That's how it works already. You pay the power company and that money is invested into the grid. Somehow this has worked in Ashburn VA for their massive data center build out so I don't see why it can't work in other places too. Obviously nobody wants to wait 10 years and it has nothing to do with stupidity or fear.

Okay that’s very obviously not the same thing I’m proposing, and you know that. Paying for electricity is normal. But that doesn’t magically increase the capacity. It does, in time. A lot of time.

Which is why we’re using diesel generators and not building data centers. We don’t have the power, we just don’t.

Re: U.S. gov't moves to suppress pushback on data centers

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Post by NishanStepak »

inglor_cz wrote: post #90
NishanStepak wrote: post #51

Many data centers will move north into the Nordic countries where the climate is colder and there is a lot of hydroelectric and wind power. Canada and the Nordic countries will end up building a lot of data centers in remote areas where they are less visible. At the same time, the more the US government acts to support data centers, the greater the reaction will be against them. It is the classic situation where the…

The question is who will service massive data centers in northern Québec or Norwegian mountains in winter. They will have to be robotized to a large degree. And the few humans necessary will have to be very well paid. The social cost is real.

With the Nordic area, it is already happening. I am not sure it will be as much of a problem, because there will be a lot less jobs with automation. The promise of a good job even in a cold climate will draw people. It will be like the oil fields, except with hydroelectric, wind, and cold climates which will help sustainability. Nvidia and many of the large data companies have already been moving north. North will probably include Alaska as well, because of the cold weather, large amounts of hydroelectric power, and the people used to working remotely.

Re: U.S. gov't moves to suppress pushback on data centers

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Post by jayGlow »

watwut wrote: post #138
jayGlow wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always hear about how concerned everyone is about water usage from data centers, however I haven't heard any of these people mention the amount of water we lose to leaking pipes. we lose 3x the amount of water to leaking pipes as data centers would use so if they're so concerned about water usage wouldn't fixing those be higher priority?

Bad faith argument. There are places with water shortages and other places with leaking pipes. The datacanters consuming water in place with drought is issue. Leaking pipe next to a lake is not.

That's great news that California no longer has a water shortage, I was under the impression they were in a drought but since the have leaking pipes that can't be the case! Besides that I've seen people complaining about water usage from data centers in the great lakes region so it's absolutely not something limited to drought stricken regions.

https://graphics.latimes.com/la-aging-water-infrastructure/

https://www.wateronline.com/doc/california-drought-crisis-bi...

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