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Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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Ordinary people were generally marvelous of the electric motor because it was obvious how it would make life better. Their great grandchildren, with the same common sense, are extremely cynical about LLMs and other knowledge work robots. What changed?

Well, for a start, electric motors worked properly and didn’t generate infinite amounts of unreadable crap.

sure the electric motor didn't generate text, but it's ridiculous to think it was anywhere near reliable in its early days

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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> I want to figure out how to use AI in ways that protect human creativity, autonomy, and problem-solving I think this is an admirable goal but I'd be curious how the author plans to even begin approaching it. It seems to me that this ship has sailed. Generative AI is here now, which is seems like it will lead us down a lowest common denominator path, not an enlightened one. How do we "protect human creativity, auton…

This seems like such an unimaginative and cynical claim. You're saying you can't think of any way of putting an LLM in service of developing your creativity and understanding?!

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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AI is awesome as a consumer. You can just build whatever bespoke thing you want. It can walk you through a myriad of home improvement projects.

It’s useful for DIY, but definitely not great. One has to carefully double-check everything; there’s no unit-tests to save your butt.

It can help out with understanding tools, workflows, materials, etc but doesn’t actually understands what it’s writing about and is prone to over-engineering, making critical mistakes or just replying with nonsense (for example swapping dimensions, recommending a completely inappropriate procedure, the wrong tool, etc).

This is all with Opus and Sol. Paying 22€ per month for that is a bit pricy for what one gets in return.

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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My partner cried the other day because her long-planned PC upgrade is now an order of magnitude more expensive than she budgeted for pre-AI-boom.

I don't love this either, but at least it's a short-term economic quirk. At some point fabs will figure out what the long-term demand looks like and scale up production accordingly.

Or rather creditors scrapping AI datacenters once all the money burning "AI labs" are finally insolvent & repurposong the hardware into something actually useful for people, possibly on chip level with custom PCBs.

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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> Either use it and shut up or don't use it. Many people do not have a choice to not use it at their jobs due to internal mandates. Regardless of their own use, many people are subjected to externalized cost of AI proliferation (data centers, layoffs, electrical bills, etc). One cannot choose to not be affected by it. But even if one were personally not at all affected by it, it is still reasonable for someone to pus…

You always have a choice. If my job made me bash puppies on the head with a hammer, I'd quit. All you have to decide is where you draw that line.

and if all the jobs that are available are for bashing puppies on the head with a hammer, you'll do the noble thing and watch your family starve to death, right?

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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Reasons why I currently dislike AI: - it is not as accurate and good as advertised - being forced to use and care about it - it is bad for the environment at the scale and competition that exists in this economy - it is a mirror, and augmentation and reveals really inhuman takes and thought processes from people who are on the longer lever in society - it is already in use for very unethical things (spying and war) -…

I'm curious what bad experience is regular people have with AI. For me it basically makes everything better. I use it probably a hundred times a day and struggle to think about interaction where I walk away wishing it It wasn't involved. I listen to AI generated audiobooks on the way to work. It makes my job easier and find data or papers or emails for me. On the way home I can have a Back in forth conversation about…

We are all tech people here, but the regular people meet AI when they try to take a picture with their phone and Gemini pops up instead, because a button has been repurposed to do that.

Or simply calling an energy provider to clarify something makes them talk to a robot voice until enough effort and words have passed so a human finally comes around.

These are very shallow and small things where it already creeps in and the fun part is that you cannot blame the AI for it, but what we do with it.

If you use AI unironically, hallucinations can make you go down a wrong path and cost you time. Something that used to be a quick google search leads you to AI generated sites making stuff up, so even when you talk to AI directly, you practically get the same-y or slightly different answer.

Reading documents starts to become a challenge as well. Bad translations or made up stuff can waste your time as well.

Then you just want to take a walk to the river and the river has the lowest water level since forever (rhine river) and you think to yourself, hmm, this can't be right.

Like what do you save all of this time and effort for? Is it truly balanced and sane what we are doing right now?

Doesn't all the time saving show detrimental effects in areas we cannot point at currently because of plausible deniability or wishful thinking?

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

#147
post #18

Ordinary people were generally marvelous of the electric motor because it was obvious how it would make life better. Their great grandchildren, with the same common sense, are extremely cynical about LLMs and other knowledge work robots. What changed?

I disagree that ordinary people marveled at electric motors and saw their potential. Electric motors were seen as a toy for decades following their invention in 1834, and required industry to completely re-design its approach before they were used in more than 5% of factories. Even then the big shift to electric from steam in industry - almost a century later - was more due to economic necessity than better technology: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40673694

I think the same cycle is playing out with LLMs - the general public is somewhere between indifferent and actively hostile to them, as they have been with every new technology. Reconfiguring businesses and society to use them to their full potential - and benefits to society - will take years, if not decades.

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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Creating flashcards is also such a chore! For the recall part of education, the book's exercise, or simply covering up the relevant part with hand and forcing a recall, writing about what you learned, teaching someone else - all work great, and the flow is much more natural.

Creating the card is half the work though.

Creating the card is half the learning

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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No saying you're wrong but how is it making their lives worse? Most people know use AI for basic applications and seem to enjoy it while the people I know who hate it all seem to be idelogically motivated (seemingly this is a cause de célèbre on the left right now?)

The "obvious" one: supply chain chaos due to everyone and their dog spending as much as possible for AI boxen Every investor being full on AI has lead to big corps massively increasing AI spend, instead of "just" hiring people (talk to people who graduated from school in the past year...) I've seen some commentary about how SV turning from an "infinite cash reserves" place to a "let's massively load up on debt" place…

> And way low on the scale of things: every goddamn restaurant since 2024 using AI image gen, meaning you have no goddamn clue what the food you're ordering actually is. Or you do but you know that it's _not_ what is pictured. And the logos are all ugly.

Pictures in menus just vaguely resembling the actual dish. Dunno what value the authors think a made up picture provides except for tourist traps. Like, I wont trust your menu twice.

I didn't anticipate McDonalds menu pictures becoming in the authentic and informative range of menus.

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

#150
post #18

Ordinary people were generally marvelous of the electric motor because it was obvious how it would make life better. Their great grandchildren, with the same common sense, are extremely cynical about LLMs and other knowledge work robots. What changed?

Not all new technology is made equal and can't be compared as such. The electric motor was a new technology we now know did indeed pan out, but there are a string of others which never did and are forgotten about when talking about this. More recently, you could point to NFT's and crypto, both of which people also compared to things like the electric motor.

Whether or not LLM's become an electric motor or an NFT, or something in between, only time will tell

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