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Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by lossolo »

extr wrote: post #31
causal wrote: post #23

Anyone else find it weird how within 2 months of Fable releasing all the major labs suddenly had Fable-level models? Trying to think of explanations: 1) AI researchers talk and change companies often, so techniques circulate. This feels implausible because training and shipping a new model ought to take longer than 2 months? 2) Distillation - also implausible for the reason above. 3) Benchmark hacking. AI companies h…

It's because Fable is just synthetic RL tasks + scale. The secret has been out for awhile now.

This is basically the answer, they generate A LOT of synthetic task rollouts in parallel, then use RL on the resulting reward signals to improve the model. Add scale to this and you have a Fable class model.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by ryandvm »

KerrAvon wrote: post #107
crimsoneer wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, the Chinese government doesn't really believe in checks and balances, or corporations as autonomous to the state. That's not a conspiracy, that's just how the CCP sees it (ask Jack Ma). You could argue the US has the Cloud Act, and obviously their respect for rules based law and order as a concept has heavily deteriorated, for but it's a very different kettle of fish to a regime who just doesn't even believe…

So have you looked at what's happened in the US over the past 10 years? The US has much further to fall, but it's falling very, very quickly and if there's ever another Democratic president they're going to have to rebuild a lot of the government from scratch.

I dunno. I'm just glad Congress can barely pass any legislation. What an Executive Order does, another Executive Order can just as easily undo.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by colinhb »

hackernan9000 wrote: post #48
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #26

As polarizing as grok is, it was basically inevitable for it to start being a real competitor given how much investment SpaceX made into its own inference capabilities. Seems if you are okay with it, there's no reason to use anything but the highest effort levels of some other frontier models for the price. I think Grok provides healthy competition to the other labs, though I do think they bank on groks reputation ma…

Curious - what is the main issue you find polarizing with grok?

For a start, MechaHitler:

https://www.reddit.com/r/grok/s/dKSx4CbRkw

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by jannyfer »

causal wrote: post #23

Anyone else find it weird how within 2 months of Fable releasing all the major labs suddenly had Fable-level models? Trying to think of explanations: 1) AI researchers talk and change companies often, so techniques circulate. This feels implausible because training and shipping a new model ought to take longer than 2 months? 2) Distillation - also implausible for the reason above. 3) Benchmark hacking. AI companies h…

Timing doesn't seem odd to me. It just seems like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_discovery which I've noticed happen in many areas.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by ben_w »

nater5000 wrote: post #49

It's crazy that I'd literally trust a Chinese AI company with my data over anything Musk is involved with. Like, even if you don't care about (or even like) his politics and can look past how unlikable he comes off as, the damage he's done to his own reputation in this domain just makes using his products like this a no-go. He's literally so rich that he can get caught personally looking through chat sessions and it…

> All I hear about Claude, GPT, Gemini, etc., are how terrible they are, yet any discussion of Grok seems to always revolve around sensible, but confident, assertions that it's actually a great product and every new release is the point where Grok finally catches up.

Ironically, I only see coments like yours regarding Grok.

Tesla self driving cars, (somewhat) as you say, but even the biggest proponents of Grok are like "oh no the best model is this, ugh".

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by tavavex »

neonstatic wrote: post #101
oulipo wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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And rightfully so. Unfortunately, they are perfectly fine with a marxist-leninist AI, and that's troubling.

Can you name a "Marxist-Leninist AI" that's made by a real AI lab (i.e. no finetunes of open models made by someone on the internet)? I'm just trying to understand what the other side's equivalent of MechaHitler is here.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by calldacopsidgaf »

tavavex wrote: post #138
nater5000 wrote: post #49

It's crazy that I'd literally trust a Chinese AI company with my data over anything Musk is involved with. Like, even if you don't care about (or even like) his politics and can look past how unlikable he comes off as, the damage he's done to his own reputation in this domain just makes using his products like this a no-go. He's literally so rich that he can get caught personally looking through chat sessions and it…

> He's literally so rich that he can get caught personally looking through chat sessions and it wouldn't slow him down a bit. Looking through chat histories is boring, mundane stuff. He's richer than that, think bigger. I think he could kill a random person in front of thousands, and by the next day we'd see articles arguing why the random person actually deserved it and why it's not that bad. Whatever consequences w…

> He's richer than that, think bigger.

that's the hilarious paradox at the center of his antics. Musk is infamously petty and insecure. We're talking about the guy who tweaked Grok's system prompt to flatter him and paid someone to boost his fucking Diablo character for clout. I wouldn't put "looking through chat histories" past him for one second.

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