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Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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First, most tech companies of comparable size to your customers have negative margins and survive on investment cycles, and the tech companies that are bigger haven't offered human support to anyone in decades. (And indeed, everyone already resents this practice and those tech companies. Generally, sentiment is abyssmal.) I know you're just trying to illustrate the real plight of your customers, but it's a bad illust…

Microsoft offers human chat support for consumers, once you try their self-help tools: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/contactus?ContactUsExper... Apple offers online, telephone, and of course in-person support for hardware and software: https://support.apple.com/?cid=mc-ols-general-homepage-marco... Amazon offers online and telephone customer support on your “my orders” page. Netflix offers phone and chat suppor…

Most of the support is severely binned now to edge cases. You can't just make a genius bar appointment anymore like you used to. You get triaged and most of the flow punts you to some unhelpful support or even worse, apple discussion forums. You basically have to lie to get a genius bar appointment through the system. Once you have the appointment the worker doesn't care and gets right to work same as always, but feels like the writing is on the wall where the next CEO will probably cut genius bar entirely and be rewarded with a surge in share price for the lower overhead.

Funny how you danced around google too. They are easily the worst in terms of offering support. People online in all seriousness suggest getting a google business account for 1 month and cancelling afterwards to actually get tech support.

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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So - I run a company that does AI agents for pharmacy. We are at Series B now and growing well - series C in 9-12 months given growth. We just acquired a competitor of that vendor so very much an insider. First, The technology works, and it scales, but the whole bottleneck is domain expertise and implementation. These are expensive, and hard to scale. We hire pharmacists as project managers, that's how important doma…

Serious question. Does your product start each exchange with "I am AI and can make mistakes" like the major LLM chatbots?

And if not, why not?

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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post #90

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First, most tech companies of comparable size to your customers have negative margins and survive on investment cycles, and the tech companies that are bigger haven't offered human support to anyone in decades. (And indeed, everyone already resents this practice and those tech companies. Generally, sentiment is abyssmal.) I know you're just trying to illustrate the real plight of your customers, but it's a bad illust…

Microsoft offers human chat support for consumers, once you try their self-help tools: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/contactus?ContactUsExper... Apple offers online, telephone, and of course in-person support for hardware and software: https://support.apple.com/?cid=mc-ols-general-homepage-marco... Amazon offers online and telephone customer support on your “my orders” page. Netflix offers phone and chat suppor…

Where's Google's hotline?

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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So - I run a company that does AI agents for pharmacy. We are at Series B now and growing well - series C in 9-12 months given growth. We just acquired a competitor of that vendor so very much an insider. First, The technology works, and it scales, but the whole bottleneck is domain expertise and implementation. These are expensive, and hard to scale. We hire pharmacists as project managers, that's how important doma…

I've been building agentic voice workflows with nearly 2 decades of healthcare experience. Would love to talk if you're available.

Please don't.

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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Its still a huge and growing business and one that AI helps https://tech.yahoo.com/ai/articles/call-centres-using-ai-whi...

lol at the title

probably works about as well as all the whitening products western cosmetic companies dump over there

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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> We have hundreds of pharmacies with us now and they mostly successful and happy. Our biggest friction is customers being burned by vendors like this and writing off AI altogether as "not ready". This is such a great graph. Your company feels successful because your customer is happy yet the rest of the world would be just happy if your company died in a fire. This seems to also be just fine for companies like yours…

Very much clueless commentary. Retail pharmacies in the US are dying dozens a day. They don't have margin to support people answering the phone like tech companies with 80% margin do. Welcome to the real world where it is survival for these pharmacies not greed or shareholder value. They literally lose money filling your branded prescription even with no labor baked in. We are their lifeline. I know because I am not…

Retail pharmacies in the US are dying dozens a day.

I have a lot of pharmacist relatives. This is news to them.

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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post #115

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That's been my observation of AI customer support. They're pretty much all glorified FAQ reciters unable to handle any unusual or uncommon situation not in the FAQs.

The one AI customer support experience I’ve actually enjoyed was last winter in a cold snap when my pipes froze. Drove to a Walmart to find a space heater and of course they were sold out. Called my local Lowe’s, got an AI agent, asked if any space heaters were in stock, it told me the one model left and the aisle to find it. Drove there and got what I needed without a fuss. That’s the exception of course, literally…

I had a mixed incredible/horrible experience with Claude's AI support agent. First, I suspected there was a particular problem with the API access, and I articulated it and said, "can you give me a way to test this theory and prove that the problem is on your end? Python is acceptable" and it spit out a python test program that proved the problem was on their end. Then it turned a corner and spent 30 minutes insisting that it was going to connect me with a real person who could fix the problem for me before finally admitting that the whole thing was a boondoggle and it had no way to connect me with an actual person, but maybe I should come back to the chat in a day or two and see if anyone noticed and responded.

The real interesting thing was that early on in that 30 minutes, it gave me very clear instructions about how to get a live agent (including a quoted trigger phrase like "I would like to speak to a live agent" or something), which made me believe it was possible, which ultimately made me resist the slow realization that that was a complete fabrication. It was a very effective way to waste my time.

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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Companies will pawn off thier customers to AI at their peril. In many ways this is a repeat of the India call center train wrecks of the 00s. On paper, letting someone in Bangalore vs onshore handle incoming customer service calls looked like a path to amazing savings. In practice the customer experience was horrendous and companies CTRL-Zed these decisions and rapidly brought customer service back onshore again. AI…

> In practice the customer experience was horrendous and companies CTRL-Zed these decisions and rapidly brought customer service back onshore again.

No they didn’t, I can’t remember the last time I talked to an on shore rep.

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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It's amazing how many times AI has failed to perform even the most basic jobs. Tasks often handled by a teenager or a phone tree are too difficult for AI to manage, but somehow we're supposed to worried that this same AI is going to put doctors and lawyers and engineers out of a job.
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