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Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by inigyou »

bitwize wrote: post #130
nradov wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be happy to pay to buy or rent a single show or movie. The problem is that a lot of that content is only available with a monthly subscription. Screw that, those monthly bills eat you alive. I hear that the For All Mankind series is pretty good but there's no way I'm signing up for Apple TV just to watch that. So I'll skip it and watch something else.

And that's the appropriate response to have. If you don't want to pay according to the copyright owner's terms, then you don't watch the show. Not liking the copyright owner's terms for watching the show does not give you the right to steal it. Yes, I know copyright infringement is not stealing per the technical legal definition. But splitting those hairs is like splitting hairs between pedophiles and ephebophiles: a…

Where do rights come from?

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by inigyou »

Aurornis wrote: post #50
matheusmoreira wrote: post #29

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Piracy is a service problem. Copyright monopolists always defeat themselves with their obnoxious greed. Things were easy enough when Netflix had a complete catalog, now every studio wants to roll their own shitty streaming services in order to cut Netflix out. Result is a fragmented mess where you want to watch a great film but you have no idea where the hell it even is, and even if you find it you discover it doesn'…

> Piracy is a service problem > Meanwhile the pirates offer Blu-Ray remuxes with commentary tracks, subtitles for every language, DRM free files that just work on your video player of choice. I think the only people who believe that pirating is easier than using the streaming services are people who spend so much time with computers that they round the mental overhead of navigating torrent websites, finding the corre…

Or ask your savvy friend for a copy on DVD-R. That's quite easy.

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by inigyou »

antonvs wrote: post #100
matheusmoreira wrote: post #85

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> Nobody is ever going to convince me that pirating is actually easier than finding the thing I want to watch and putting it on my credit card. That's just because you're fine with consuming the low quality slop they stream out. Doesn't mean people who care more than you do are engaging in "mental gymnastics". We don't want the same things. I want the best version of everything. The highest quality version. The uncen…

> I want the best version of everything. The highest quality version. The uncensored version. The uncompressed version. The lossless version. The DRM-free version. The best version. Basically the same greed that every billionaire has, just with negligible economic impact.

If billionaires are allowed to be extremely greedy then why aren't hundredaires allowed to be extremely greedy?

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

yalogin wrote: post #128
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #76

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Its the time and the electricity needed to train them. The US sacrificed quite a lot in order to make this happen. We're tolerating a measles outbreak, our economy is in the trash due to tariffs and draconian immigration enforcement. Basically every sector that's not AI has been poisoned in one way or another in order to drive sufficient investment towards AI. If China wants to compete at building the best forefront…

Sorry this is not true at all. O Those are just corrupt, incompetent practices by an idiot who is drunk on power. It has nothing to do with AI. This is not an answer at all. You tried to shove a square peg into a round hole for what reason. I don’t know

It's clear that the idiot does favors for the highest bidders. If you follow that money it points you, in various ways, to the AI companies.

Who would have an incentive to tax physical goods entering and exiting the country? Somebody who is competing for investment dollars and whose product is digital.

Who benefits from immigration overreach? People whose products are especially relevant to mass surveillance.

Dismantling the US biomedical superiority and our public health endeavors might've been Trump's idea, but it happened in a room full of people who sell capabilities related to convincing a nation full of sick people that there's nothing untoward happening to them.

The market is controlled by AI companies right now, and Trump is letting the market have its way with us, therefore the AI companies are having their way with us. This is what happens when you abandon antitrust efforts and end up with companies that are too powerful for the government to regulate: they end up running things. It's the robber barron's era all over again. You can't absolve them of responsibility just because the president is OK with it.

And that's what the moat is made of. There will be opportunity costs associated with putting everything you've got into datacenters, and those are costs that most governments are too competent to be tricked into paying.

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by inigyou »

ronsor wrote: post #80
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #76

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Its the time and the electricity needed to train them. The US sacrificed quite a lot in order to make this happen. We're tolerating a measles outbreak, our economy is in the trash due to tariffs and draconian immigration enforcement. Basically every sector that's not AI has been poisoned in one way or another in order to drive sufficient investment towards AI. If China wants to compete at building the best forefront…

> We're tolerating a measles outbreak, our economy is in the trash due to tariffs and draconian immigration enforcement. Basically every sector that's not AI has been poisoned in one way or another in order to drive sufficient investment towards AI. Incompetence is not sacrifice.

True, but sustained low interest rates (they are still way too low) cause investment to be moved from productive activities to speculative activities to completely ludicrous activities, as the saner tiers fill up and there's still money left to allocate.

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by nearlyepic »

bitwize wrote: post #131
Aurornis wrote: post #95

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Okay great. Then can you acknowledge that when everyone else is talking about piracy, none of us are talking about you? You are the 0.001% of pirates, but you make assertions here like all pirates are high minded people who are secretly actually paying for the content and are only interested in some extra video quality. That describes such a vanishingly small number of pirates that it’s meaningless in the broader dis…

No, he's still a pirate. If he doesn't like what the distributor releases, he shouldn't watch the movie or show at all. Paying for a legitimate copy does not grant you infinite legal or moral use of the work, only permission to view the version of the work provided under terms set by the OWNER of the work.

Here’s an idea: some suit in an office somewhere doesn’t get to dictate how I engage with art. My moral obligation ends where the people who made the movie get paid.

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by tokioyoyo »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #109
tokioyoyo wrote: post #78

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Every time this argument comes up, it doesn’t explain why piracy rates are much lower, despite having a lot of service problems. Piracy is a cultural thing. And I’m saying this as someone who kinda understands the pirate’s position.

Isn't the explanation self evident? Piracy requires nonzero technical competency (not much but still), dedicated computing hardware, and a decent chunk of storage. It's a fairly low barrier to entry but it is nonetheless a barrier and your typical person off the street these days doesn't reliably know what files and folders are.

I know Japanese people who can easily pull it off, but ideologically very against it.

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by tokioyoyo »

laserlight wrote: post #104
tokioyoyo wrote: post #78

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Every time this argument comes up, it doesn’t explain why piracy rates are much lower, despite having a lot of service problems. Piracy is a cultural thing. And I’m saying this as someone who kinda understands the pirate’s position.

> it doesn’t explain why piracy rates are much lower, despite having a lot of service problems. Can you explain why you think piracy rates must be higher? Piracy isn't “free” after all.

Very common for some movie, tv shows or music not be available here. Or also, fairly expensive to buy/rent for some. If it was service issue, this would drive people who want to enjoy the media to piracy.

Yet it doesn’t.

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by yalogin »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #144
yalogin wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry this is not true at all. O Those are just corrupt, incompetent practices by an idiot who is drunk on power. It has nothing to do with AI. This is not an answer at all. You tried to shove a square peg into a round hole for what reason. I don’t know

It's clear that the idiot does favors for the highest bidders. If you follow that money it points you, in various ways, to the AI companies. Who would have an incentive to tax physical goods entering and exiting the country? Somebody who is competing for investment dollars and whose product is digital. Who benefits from immigration overreach? People whose products are especially relevant to mass surveillance. Dismant…

Yes I wasn’t questioning that the market and government is controlled by the AI companies. What I am saying is that cannot be a moat. If anything it will be an anchor that will pull these companies down. If anything that is a signal that they don’t have a moat

Re: Twenty-five years ago it was cryptography, today it's model weights

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Post by [deleted] »

yalogin wrote: post #149
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's clear that the idiot does favors for the highest bidders. If you follow that money it points you, in various ways, to the AI companies. Who would have an incentive to tax physical goods entering and exiting the country? Somebody who is competing for investment dollars and whose product is digital. Who benefits from immigration overreach? People whose products are especially relevant to mass surveillance. Dismant…

Yes I wasn’t questioning that the market and government is controlled by the AI companies. What I am saying is that cannot be a moat. If anything it will be an anchor that will pull these companies down. If anything that is a signal that they don’t have a moat

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