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Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by kakacik » Tue, Jun 30, 2026, 10:20 AM UTC

joe_mamba wrote: post #118

CalRobert wrote: post #88

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Alternately, it should roll out the red carpet for American entrepreneurs, scientists, and talent who want to try moving here and having a go of things in Europe. The Dutch American Friendship Treaty accidentally enables this and has become quite popular, but is only for one country.

And then what's gonna happen to the (already fucked)Dutch housing market? > it should roll out the red carpet for American entrepreneurs, scientists, and talent who want to try moving here and having a go of things in Europe Only if it's bidirectional. If Americans can gentrify me out of the EU housing market with their higher purchasing power, then I should also have access to their labor market for those six figure…

Maybe build more? I know folks who already own properties hate this little trick, but its pretty effective in solving this. Maybe you've not heard but there is more people than 50-100 years ago when many buildings were built, and disproportionally more in bigger cities where most well paid work is.

There are other factors like zoning and other laws, mentality of given population etc but gist is above.

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by cesaref » Tue, Jun 30, 2026, 10:21 AM UTC

AndroTux wrote: post #69

cesaref wrote: post #67

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Unless that site collects personal information, it's fine isn't it? This isn't about where stuff is hosted, it's about privacy.

IPs are personal information afaik

Ah, of course. Interesting.

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by kakacik » Tue, Jun 30, 2026, 10:24 AM UTC

dgellow wrote: post #95

drstewart wrote: post #61

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Europeans should cut ties with their own fascist, Russian sympathizers leading the polls first, then worry about Americans.

We can and should do both at the same time

some would even say its one broad stroke of brush that somehow ends up covering both

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by dspillett » Tue, Jun 30, 2026, 10:24 AM UTC

AndroTux wrote: post #69

cesaref wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless that site collects personal information, it's fine isn't it? This isn't about where stuff is hosted, it's about privacy.

IPs are personal information afaik

That has gone back and forth numerous times over the decades, particularly in legal cases concerning unlicensed content sharing. I think the consensus ATM is that they generally aren't on their own, largely because most network access is through shared NAT arrangements.

At most an IP address (definitely v4, v6 depending on your arrangement) identifies a household or office, not an individual, and “it seems someone hacked the wireless, or one of my smart devices, or a rouge plugin turned me into a residential proxy, etc.” muddies the water further, often an IP address identifies nothing more than which mobile data provider or VPN provider the user was connected through.

As a simple for instance: No one warns when all that is collected is the calling hosts' apparent IP address in their web server or other service logs. Only once entries with record of the address are explicitly linked to other PII (i.e. if URLs contain PII like names, addresses, etc, so those are logged alongside the calling address) is it an issue - and even then the recording of that information in the wrong places is the problem (in the HTTP logs example, what is that data about the user even doing existing in URIs?) not the calling IP address.

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by OgsyedIE » Tue, Jun 30, 2026, 10:25 AM UTC

manueltgomes wrote: post #49

Switching to EU companies is often the solution, but also we're in a tricky position in Europe since alternatives exist but can't compete with US. So finding European alternatives is possible but hard. Also EU is doing its job enforcing privacy and anti-competition laws but then American companies just say "feature not available in EU" (like Apple is doing more and more for example), making things even harder to swit…

The fact that they can't compete can be solved fairly easily by implementing strong trade barriers and legal penalties. Use Salesforce inside of a building in Prague instead of SAP? Police raids and charges of sanctions circumvention up the org chart.

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by GoblinSlayer » Tue, Jun 30, 2026, 10:28 AM UTC

yread wrote: post #120

manueltgomes wrote: post #49

Switching to EU companies is often the solution, but also we're in a tricky position in Europe since alternatives exist but can't compete with US. So finding European alternatives is possible but hard. Also EU is doing its job enforcing privacy and anti-competition laws but then American companies just say "feature not available in EU" (like Apple is doing more and more for example), making things even harder to swit…

Switching to EU companies is easy. Switching to EU companies that don't have American companies as sub-processors is a lot harder.

What's hard? Just switch.

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by eesmith » Tue, Jun 30, 2026, 10:34 AM UTC

maratc wrote: post #65

eesmith wrote: post #18

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For the skimmer, the advocacy group was founded by Maximilian Schrems, whose legal cases first got the European Court of Justice to overturn the International Safe Harbor Privacy Principles (which described how a US company could legally store private data on EU citizens), and then got the ECJ to overturn EU–US Privacy Shield, which replaced the Safe Harbor principles. These decisions are known as Schrems I and Schre…

You could both be right: Shrems III could be in the works, and TLA could be presenting their legal analysis as an established fact. In other words, (a) no, the "US Supreme Court" didn't "Just Bl[ow] Up EU-US Data Transfers" – there's nothing in the decision even remotely addressing the transfers (nor the EU!) – but (b) the situation might progress in that direction (or it might not.)

I think "noyb will also file a lawsuit in the coming weeks", from the person/group who brought us Shrems I and Shrems II, counts enough as "Shrems III could be in the works". Don't you?

The linked article does not present their legal analysis and call for action as established fact.

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by rcarmo » Tue, Jun 30, 2026, 10:37 AM UTC

znpy wrote: post #119

manueltgomes wrote: post #49

Switching to EU companies is often the solution, but also we're in a tricky position in Europe since alternatives exist but can't compete with US. So finding European alternatives is possible but hard. Also EU is doing its job enforcing privacy and anti-competition laws but then American companies just say "feature not available in EU" (like Apple is doing more and more for example), making things even harder to swit…

the issue with EU companies is often the mindset: https://julien.danjou.info/blog/europes-cloud-problem-isnt-t... As tech worked who has worked in US FAANGs (still in europe)... the difference is immense. EU companies simply can't compete and will never be able to compete until they change the mindset. And the change must be pervasive, across all aspects (including IC compensation).

As someone who also works for a US company with very large EU customers and partners I can attest this is completely true. Most European people on HN seem to be in the startup/SME space, so this won’t resonate, but the key point is that people who work for US companies also have zero incentive to switch to an EU company due to the mindsets we see locally.

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by maratc » Tue, Jun 30, 2026, 10:39 AM UTC

eesmith wrote: post #147

maratc wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could both be right: Shrems III could be in the works, and TLA could be presenting their legal analysis as an established fact. In other words, (a) no, the "US Supreme Court" didn't "Just Bl[ow] Up EU-US Data Transfers" – there's nothing in the decision even remotely addressing the transfers (nor the EU!) – but (b) the situation might progress in that direction (or it might not.)

I think "noyb will also file a lawsuit in the coming weeks", from the person/group who brought us Shrems I and Shrems II, counts enough as "Shrems III could be in the works". Don't you? The linked article does not present their legal analysis and call for action as established fact.

It's ok to disagree. If the SCOTUS decision in question had any wording to the tune of "the EU-US data transfers need to stop," it would be fitting to say that the "US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers." However it did not, so it wouldn't.

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by ShinyLeftPad » Tue, Jun 30, 2026, 10:42 AM UTC

noosphr wrote: post #60

ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #37

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or wait for the bubble to burst and come out on top.

The internet is a fad and will pass any day now.

One of them creates jobs, one of them removes jobs. Some societies that care about idk... people?... only want one of those things

besides compare all the money that went into one vs the other.