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AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a result of the Copenhagen Interpretation. There are other interpretations of the math which don't rely on reality fundamentally being a probability cloud/wave/field.

I’m not well versed in this but if fundamental particles are probability clouds, the future is not deterministic.

Why not? Every cloud that matters is resolved. What's to say a different resolution to any cloud can be possible?

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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post #9

We have always known the old trick of genetic algorithms to produce better radio chips. The problem isn’t the design: its manufacturing restraints. This is nothing new or impressive.

Then why can't these constraints be encoded into the selection/scoring function ?

Because you might actually want to manufacture one offs, like for space equipment.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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the biggest question for me is how robust are these designs. in the journal articles they did show measurements of real devices which agreed fine with predictions, but i didn't find them addressing it explicitly in the text. also, some systems they presented contained subblocks that were conventionally designed that could be carrying some of the weight. or maybe i'm just sour that they're coming for my job? or maybe…

> the biggest question for me is how robust are these designs.

Maybe it doesn't matter?

I mean, of course it matters. But most of this sort of design space is effectively NP-complete, where the creation starts with a blank schematic page and has an impossibly large search space, but where the checking of the design is much simpler.

> also, obligatory mention: "genetic antennas"

Exactly. How does this work? When confronted with the question, of course, everybody gets all excited about the constrained randomness of the GA, but if you think about it, what really makes it work is that there is a comparatively cheap test for fitness for purpose.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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> But freed from the constraints of human-designed templates and the need for humans to even understand the rationale of electromagnetic structures, ... ICs ... can take on truly wild-looking yet efficient designs.

I feel like technology is going to become alien at some point. We're all going to be using magical runes instead of chips.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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post #83

I wonder if our common expectation that true theories somehow had to be beautiful and elegant is going to survive the coming century. What if "real" nature phenomenon were actually best described by horrible mess of impossible equations, that only machines could actually manipulate and reason about ? That would be really sad..

My suspicion is that we had a sense that generality and compactness was really neat, so we liked easily-remembered laws like F=ma. Applies everywhere, is clean.

When you attempt to hyper-optimize, even with humans in the loop, you end up a mess. You're lucky if you can find clean guiding principles anywhere. If you can hyper-optimize hyper quickly, you end up with an extra layer of mess.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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post #5

Reminds me of good ol genetic algorithm search. Guess and check can be quite powerful, especially if you can toss in agent in the loop guidance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_antenna

This too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolvable_hardware Starting with: https://sci-hub.ru/storage/moscow/4324/11d145b2c2c3ab320f70b...

That second paper is absolutely amazing, I’ve always heard this story and never bothered to find the source.

The section with oscilloscope traces showing the progression of the “designs” over time was extremely interesting - I’d love to see what the 10x10 grid of functions looked like at each snapshot.

Thank you!

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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post #83

I wonder if our common expectation that true theories somehow had to be beautiful and elegant is going to survive the coming century. What if "real" nature phenomenon were actually best described by horrible mess of impossible equations, that only machines could actually manipulate and reason about ? That would be really sad..

Would it be sad? If it’s gnarly and it solves the problem, as an end user I don’t really care. The only people who lose are the mathematical purists

Math is a language to explain systems. Teaching someone that force varies linearly to mass is a helpful first pass. It isn’t exactly linear but is not exponential at all.

Gaining expertise is always the hard part and our new LLM overlords are making that much harder. So the simple “pure” functions as a teaching aid have never been more important.

End users have never cared about how the sausage is made though.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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post #5

Reminds me of good ol genetic algorithm search. Guess and check can be quite powerful, especially if you can toss in agent in the loop guidance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_antenna

The other side is Cognitive Radio [1] which also evolve the OTA protocols for cooperative diversity from IEEE 802.22 onwards. Now I can see AI, via a local SLM/NPU plus agentic GNURadio loops for new radio use cases. This is going to be much more wide spread in the upcoming 3GPP 6G releases in 2030.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_radio

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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post #83

I wonder if our common expectation that true theories somehow had to be beautiful and elegant is going to survive the coming century. What if "real" nature phenomenon were actually best described by horrible mess of impossible equations, that only machines could actually manipulate and reason about ? That would be really sad..

This has been on my mind lately! Especially in light of the many incomprehensible but machine-checkable proofs we've been hearing about. Occam's Razor is a useful heuristic, but it biases us towards simpler explanations.

But those proofs are showing that the fundamental axioms (which are generally simple and elegant) are still enough to build a complex result.

I think of elegance as not having to add epicycles, not that everything in the system has to be simple.

Also, without a working theory the, the space of possible solutions is near infinite. LLMs manage to pluck out the space of comprehensible English strings from n-dimensional hell. Even if this is done with a black box of billions of parameters, it’s still elegance in the sense that such a space even exists and was found

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