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Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by vodou »

9dev wrote: post #27

Can't we even write a short text like this without LLMs anymore, not even when it's really important, when it's about humans against the inhumane ?

I think it is great that people point out LLM generated articles here on HN. Sadly, it feels like I am slowly loosing my skill to identify LLM speak. Maybe I am getting worn out of all LLM content... So, please, list the indicators and telltale signs from the specific article or blog post (like others have done here already). At least I would appreciate it a lot.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by kspacewalk2 »

ghusto wrote: post #127

This and every post like it hurts the cause. Don't argue "Resist!" like a child, argue with an alternative. You're not bringing anything to the table other than teenage angst, ensuring nobody takes the _very valid and terrifying concerns_ seriously. Instead, suggest a feasible alternative. Bonus points if it works better, cheaper, and safer.

And don't handwaive away the real problem with children on social media. It's not good enough, not gonna cut it, there's strong consensus around fixing this big societal problem. Go ahead and blame the parents all you want - to a critical mass of people nowadays, it reads like the equivalent of blaming them for a 10 year old being let into a casino and getting addicted to slot machines. The debate will then just move on right past you because you're not being serious.

We need privacy-respecting age verification. It's not rocket science, it's just a matter of implementation. The bad actors - which are mostly bad by virtue of being ignorant - will win the debate if we're throwing hissy fits and telling parents to fuck off instead of coming up with constructive criticism of this approach to age verification.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by panny »

codedokode wrote: post #94

There is actually a way to prove the age anonymously. Yubikey-like devices support attestation - they can have a private key proving authenticity of a device. So some organization could release Yubikeys with a certain private key and distribute them in stores that allow only adult customers - like liquor stores or sex shops. Owning a key proves that one is adult without disclosing identity. Keys support USB and bluet…

The problem with that is, parents be like:

>Here kid, take my key, go get me some beer.

Everyone everywhere gets forced to deal with bullshit, then the people it is supposed to be protecting circumvent it directly.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by judge2020 »

jupr wrote: post #23

Im sure a lot of people know about tor on this site...but let me remind everyone. Tor is not for criminals. It's for you and me. And happens to be good enough that criminals use it too. This is the two sided nature of technology. Tor is a networks of peers across the globe volunteering their network bandwidth to support people under oppression by their government. The amount of privacy that can be gained from tor is…

iCloud private relay has done more in just a few years than Tor ever has, by being opt-out for iOS users instead of opt-in like Tor. Now platforms can’t rely on IP based reputation, instead relying on either a computational challenge (Cloudflare, Anubis) or de-anonymization (recaptcha relying on being signed into a Google account more than anything, especially when using private relay).

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by nemomarx »

harel wrote: post #113
ekall wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this kind of comment where you share the sentiment that you will ultimately admit defeat emboldens the factions that are hoping for people to be like you. I also think these kinds of comments may also bring doubt to people considering resisting these kinds of concessions. In other words I think the people pushing these kinds of "identification" methods would love you for spreading their silent message of this…

If I have no choice, and no alternative, what can I do? I will never use an OS that require it on the OS level, and nobody can mandate it, not to a Linux user as myself - there will always be "another distro". But as a company director I have a legal requirement to verify my identity with my face. That's one. Every CCTV camera I pass by London, I assume is likely to have some soft of potential face recognition. Every…

Leaving is unfortunately kind of the only option, but I worry other countries are just going to follow this process too.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by jupr »

vlucas wrote: post #88

The phrase "people will not just [...]" comes to mind here. The amount of people that let the TSA take a scan of their face when going through airport security - even when the signage clearly says you can opt out - proves that this effort, while noble, will fail. I (and the family members I am with) always opt-out, but every time I look around, I am the only one doing it. If I had to guess, I'd put a compliance figur…

I found the signs to be hard to find and poorly placed.

But since I knew about it before traveling, I just said no photo please and it was pretty frictionless.

The people behind me did not even realize you could say no, and no one really wants to be late for their flight.

Make the sign bigger. Its not a good test in my view.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by trollbridge »

chatmasta wrote: post #60

I verified my age with Apple by clicking one button and Apple said it assumed I was 18 based on the age of my Apple account (2011). I guess I’m lucky to be in the cohort that avoids the face scans, and I feel a bit dirty about enabling this, but so far — even living in the UK — the privacy concerns have not manifested for me as I thought they might. To me, the most disingenuous framing of the “protect the children” n…

Yeah. Suddenly those piles of Apple accounts lying around seem a bit more useful.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by bjourne »

aftbit wrote: post #68
lbotos wrote: post #51

I..... love the idea, but if you aren't from a Shengen country you can't get into Shengen countries without a fingerprint scan and a face photo at the airport: https://travel-europe.europa.eu/ees/data-held-by-ees No way to opt out of the scan.

Same in the USA I believe.

You can actually opt out of it. The guards will be a bit miffed but it is your right. In the EU the face scans are mandatory and the data will be retained.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by yolo3000 »

panny wrote: post #143
codedokode wrote: post #94

There is actually a way to prove the age anonymously. Yubikey-like devices support attestation - they can have a private key proving authenticity of a device. So some organization could release Yubikeys with a certain private key and distribute them in stores that allow only adult customers - like liquor stores or sex shops. Owning a key proves that one is adult without disclosing identity. Keys support USB and bluet…

The problem with that is, parents be like: >Here kid, take my key, go get me some beer. Everyone everywhere gets forced to deal with bullshit, then the people it is supposed to be protecting circumvent it directly.

The same can happen with any type of authentication, unless you are ok with someone pointing a webcam and authenticating you non stop.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by q3k »

cormorant wrote: post #120
supriyo-biswas wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all caused by a Meta lobbying initiative across multiple countries as documented in https://tboteproject.com/ (sadly, the website is down right now), but you can find references e.g. https://www.jwz.org/blog/2026/03/the-tbote-project/

> ...jwz.org... Holy fuck, man, visiting that with a HN referer serves up a rather NSFW rude image, and evidently sets a cookie to make sure it happens next time too. replacement link: https://web.archive.org/web/20260401175031/https://www.jwz.o...

Art.
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