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Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Parents are the main ones begging for this change. They are losing the war against Zuckerberg

Turning the entire thing into a doomed panopticon to "own the Zuck" is not going to end the way they think it will. Farewell to freedom on the Internet and the days of wild abandon.

There are other options, it's not binary.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#142
post #58

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Only if you're fine with disenfranchising voters. In which case, securing elections is the easiest thing in the world: I vote and nobody else does. It's securing elections while not disenfranchising voters that's the hard part.

> Only if you're fine with disenfranchising voters I don't love disenfranchising voters but I think it's probably better than allowing elections to be vulnerable to foreign tampering, don't you think?

Social media also lets foreign agents tamper elections.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#143
post #12

Porn companies should be held liable for distributing porn to minors. Its already illegal. Denial about requiring basic KYC is causing all sorts of perverse solutions. Accept the requirement so we can have a sensible technical solution.

don't be so naive. if the billionaires want this, it can't be good for you. it really is that simple

Sometimes they want to take on a liability because it shields an even bigger liability

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#144

Simple solution, Use your router to block whatever you need to, control your kids devices, the internet stays free and open. What are we talking about? There are no laws that will turn out well.

You want the internet to be engineered so you will be able to MITM traffic?

That's already a thing. One can install Squid on their router, generate a CA cert, sign their server certs with it and install the CA into all the devices in the home. It's called Squid SSL Bump. [1] A small handful of sites still use public key pinning and will have to be added to exclusions in the configuration.

The router must then be configured to only allow Squid HTTPS, Unbound DNS and Chrony NTP out to the internet.

Doing this will of course break things like video games. The parents should have a way to bypass Squid and permit all traffic out during family video game time.

[1] - https://github.com/alatas/squid-alpine-ssl Not my repo, needs updating

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#145

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> because for once in the history of civilization, we'd be fighting for our own right and not some elite group's right. I hope I am not alone in this line of thinking They depoliticized people to this degree that they fantasize of joining the a-political resistance movement, its kind of sad. This isn't meant as an insult, you should be angry that you live in a society that left you politically oblivious. Like no dude…

No revolution in history has ever succeeded without the support of an alternate group of elites who replace the current elites if the revolution succeeds...

and if these elites are better aligned with you, siding with them is better than doing nothing

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#146
post #57

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I'm not sure you can code your way into having a monopoly on violence.

NB: Weber's definition of government (which your quote misstates, so to speak, as is often the case), is that the state is that entity which has the monopoly on the legitimate claim to violence. It's legitimacy , not violence , which is key. For the longer explanation, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37366751 >. That said, legitimacy is a political property, and one which cannot be attained through purely t…

Which itself is kind of a BS indoctrinated definition.

Wind the clock back a few hundred years and there was plenty of legitimate non-government violence. The government didn't care if the well to do dueled, the townsfolk brawled in the bar, a serial fraudster got what was coming to them, etc, etc. Sure the government could choose to care and construe it's written rules to that effect if it chose but other than exceptional situations it largely didn't and everyone alive then considered this fine.

Wind the clock back further to medieval times and it gets even messier.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#147
post #57

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I'm not sure you can code your way into having a monopoly on violence.

That was the obvious issue with all the blockchain smart contract stuff that was getting pushed previously. Any time it interacts with the physical world the blockchain goes out the window the moment on someone on the ground decides they don’t agree with it. Your cryptographically signed deed means nothing and can’t evict someone off the land.

This comment ignores the cost of deploying government violence. In most of the world the government cannot "just" rubber hose every petty criminal on the basis that "he might have some crypto he's not telling us about". The people would not stand for it.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#148

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Would-be revolutionaries need secure, reliable comms even more than the average person.

PGP

Good for protecting the message itself, but it does nothing for metadata. These days the metadata is what kills you. (Who talks to whom, when, and how often reveals enough to press the drone missile button, apparently.)

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#149
post #35

What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like. Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the plane…

If at any point your counter-governmental action actually threatens to take some share of power away from the government, they will swiftly and quietly deal with you (they have about 1000 ways to track you, and AI reduces the cost of tracking greatly). If you are irrelevant you will mostly be ignored.

By the way, I'm sure that they are aware of all this privacy-first counter-tracking sentiment from certain communities, and are actively working to subvert it.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#150

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I don't think there's some magical technical trick that lets you do an end run around politics.

Oh, there is. It was invented by China in the 10th century.

What was that?
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