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Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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I'm not sure what you mean. I've been under general anesthesia a few times and not had any negative consequences. My dad has had multiple brain surgeries, and he's fully functional. Most people I know have been under at least once. I think before you blame anaesthesia it's worth wondering what else happened to you on the table, or whether something else might be causing you the problems. A lot of other things happen…

Well, there's a small chance anesthesia can affect you negatively. Like all medical interventions, it can have side effects.

I don't think anyone would debate that. But if someone is going to go with a completely unverified "everyone I know" scare tactic about a common medical procedure, then I might as well respond with the fact that everyone I know hasn't had any problems with it. It would be completely different if they said they had suffered a rare side effect which only affected them. Instead, their point seems to be that it's widely dangerous, and their only evidence for that is a vague set of symptoms they experienced which, even more vaguely, "everyone" experienced "some of".

So we've departed from the realm of clinical analysis and entered the realm of hearsay and feelings. And on that level, such a claim cannot be challenged with facts or statistics. But what an irrational claim can be challenged with is equal assertions of irrational feelings toward the opposite.

In other words, I would challenge a rational claim with another rational claim, but I won't bother with that for people whose arguments aren't based on reason. In that case, it's best to throw out a hearsay claim in exchange for a hearsay claim, and save your facts for people who care.

The goal of winning an argument isn't to convince someone that they're wrong (if this person is even real or believes what they say), it's to show the flaws in their reasoning to whoever they're trying to convince.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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post #79

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Well, there's a small chance anesthesia can affect you negatively. Like all medical interventions, it can have side effects.

I don't think anyone would debate that. But if someone is going to go with a completely unverified "everyone I know" scare tactic about a common medical procedure, then I might as well respond with the fact that everyone I know hasn't had any problems with it. It would be completely different if they said they had suffered a rare side effect which only affected them. Instead, their point seems to be that it's widely…

Yes, some people are irrationally afraid of certain medical procedures.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Not op, but imagine doing cpr to someone for more than an hour (btw this means multiple people taking turns because cpr is exhausting) and at some point there is a sign of feeble heart contractile activity (and hence life) It must have been a very emotional moment for the rescuers and parents if present. Edit: corrected typo

An hour of cpr in an ALS scenario almost certainly involves a Lucas device: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LUCAS_device … which are commonly carried in ambulances.

TIL! thanks!

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Multipurpose too for the washer/dryer settings

Who washes their hiking gear?

you're being facetious, but the answer to that is: folks with access to a washing machine and hiking gear

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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post #51

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at this age the chances of continuous improvement are probably decent

More interesting question is what actual memory retention is in such a situation, but that not disclosed in a paper.

you can always contact the authors to know more

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Anesthesiologist here: what you are referring to exists, but is rare and is not related to general anesthesia (equally likely in operations performed while patients are awake with regional anesthesia or under general anesthesia). It is more people with pre-existing cognitive dysfunction that are elderly do not handle the inflammatory milieu generated by surgery. You can Google “postoperative cognitive dysfunction” fo…

If I'm understanding the "inflammatory milieu generated by surgery" part correctly, does this imply that the cognitive effects would be equally likely if surgery were performed without any kind of anesthesia? (Or to put it another way: the anesthesia isn't directly implicated, it's just that anesthesia and surgery tend to go hand in hand...?)

Right, there are operations that are sometimes performed with minimal (or sometimes even 0 sedation) with just a nerve block (regional anesthesia) which impairs sensation locally (like you get when a dentist numbs up your mouth, but you’re still awake). They have the same rates of cognitive dysfunction afterward.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Reminds of Chris Lemons, who survived for 30+ minutes without oxygen at the bottom of the North Sea. Cold water (and experience, like staying calm) probably played a large part. He went back to diving a few weeks after! They made a movie about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Breath_(2019_film)

He was saturation diving on Heliox. From this reporting, it sounds like his heart didn't stop:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetl...

He's a public speaker now (probably much less risky; I'm sure his family appreciates that):

https://www.chrislemons.co.uk/

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Yes but ultimatively it could been 16:43 to 18:57 which is 134 Minutes.

The first two reported timestamps are 16:00 and 16:30 which both fall conveniently on the half hour. This leads me to conclude that these are guesses, and could be either early or late. It seems most likely that the mother was not exactly aware of the time the child left the house. There is an incentive to minimise (to avoid it looking like a failure of supervision). What we are certain of is the 16:44 call to the EM…

I matters for scientific rigor just because the kid was missing does not mean he drowned.
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