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Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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I count 23 instances of invective language or politicisation in that HUD statement, and that’s to say nothing of the supposed data behind this.

How about blame wealth extraction by the 0.01% before going after the out group that’s clearly working more than the average and paying taxes?

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No, obviously everyone was affected. You want to try clarifying what you want to argue?

I am saying more than one group of people in usa were in chains. Hope that is clear.

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Supply and demand, supply and demand. It’s not that complicated. I’m not sure how or why this article got published by an organization that should, given its very nature, understand economics. The article doesn’t paint them or their members as people I’d trust in either side of a major financial transaction.

have you met a realtor? They can be some great people but as a profession they are known more for their extroversion and soft skills than their high IQ understanding of economics lol

It also depends on how hot the housing market is at any given time. Often time a realtor is just someone who decided everything else was too much work. (My whole family has been in the business for almost 70 years, both commercial and residential.)

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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I think right now, the only place I can afford a house (in a place I would actually like to live in), is in some derelict, abandoned Italian town in Sicily, or something like that.

> derelict, abandoned Italian town in Sicily That sounds like a great place to live. Good weather, quiet, Italian food & culture, safe & stable, public transit to the city…and you can work remotely.

if you can work remotely. And if Italy will let you immigrate. I would bet those two ifs fit a small percentage of the populace, unfortunately.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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Look at real, median household income. It's been going up and up. The things that have gone up in relative cost are housing (because we heavily regulate building it) and premium services like healthcare and education because of Baumol.

Probably also doesn't help that to many people want/need to live in the same few areas. If you could take your office job (which in most cases would work perfectly fine) and move to a less popular area, 30% might be rather high.

That's the thing or at least one thing. These discussions aren't about most small towns and cities in the Midwest. They're about prime areas on the coasts for the most part. Heck where I live about an hour west of Boston/Cambridge is a lot cheaper than the metro itself for the most part.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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It's worth being precise about this because it's a really important point. Most people who we call "landlords" are simultaneously a landlord and a property manager. Property management is an important and productive job. But the vast majority of such people's financial outcome is actually from being a landlord , that is doing literally nothing except holding a piece of paper granting them monopoly on a plot of land.…

A landlord is doing exactly the same thing as an investor. They are tying up their capital in exchange for an income, and the possibility of a capital gain.

That is not a problem, but the problem is that now they are financially incentivized to screw their tenants as much as possible. With a different capital project, sure they're screwing their customers, but at least I go shop at a different store. Humans need housing, and moving is annoying and expensive.

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#148

Landlords are the least productive class in society, and it's not even close in terms of ranking.

It's worth being precise about this because it's a really important point. Most people who we call "landlords" are simultaneously a landlord and a property manager. Property management is an important and productive job. But the vast majority of such people's financial outcome is actually from being a landlord , that is doing literally nothing except holding a piece of paper granting them monopoly on a plot of land.…

How is a property being used for housing not productive?

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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Realtors don’t own the houses.

Not usually. But homeowners don't usually set the price themselves. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, technically they can. But a _realtor_ is in their ear telling them MORE MORE MORE.

of course they are. what else could they possibly do? pressure you into selling for a little less? get sued for not getting the seller the best price?

also, they don’t get paid if something doesn’t sell for being overpriced.

it’s a market system.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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Is it the wages or that shitty one bedroom apartments go for $2000+

Why not both? Wages are too low and rents are too high. The common factor: the capital class screwing over the working class.

Yes, of course, but consider the source. Who do you think this article, about literal rent seeking behavior is representing? Certainly not the working class...
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