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Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by inglor_cz »

bflesch wrote: post #88
ifwinterco wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, forcing Europeans to stay in Europe might be the only thing that could revive the moribund European AI scene

Nothing of value is lost for Europe because we mostly work with natural intelligence. The malinvestment bubble happens in the US, and hardware prices will come down. We're all dependent on Taiwan but others also depend on ASML which is located in Europe. Available AI services are good enough, and we sit and watch while US leadership and population is beta testing AI mass surveillance for us. In terms of AI-based warf…

"In terms of AI-based warfare Ukraine is very much ahead and they are also European for which we are very thankful."

Note that the Hornet drones which are now devastating Russian logistics behind the lines are US manufactured.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by wrs »

Lionga wrote: post #67
amazingamazing wrote: post #12

> We’re proposing stronger regulation of the technology. We’re proposing giving the government the ability to, again in a narrow way, block deployment of unsafe technology. Anthropic CEO https://abc7.com/post/anthropic-ceo-dario-amodei-calls-stron...

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Anthropic published, not a two-word request for regulation, but a lengthy proposal for how regulation could work, with safeguards and due process.

Instead, one morning the administration just woke up, grabbed the nearest hammer, and went smash, like it usually does.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by [deleted] »

extr wrote: post #63

I mean obviously they're correct but also the complaints of the administration aren't totally without basis. - They're obviously being targeted politically because they refuse to kiss the ring, vibes, whatever you want to call it. - They're also justifiably being scrutinized because they just spent like 3 months telling everyone that Mythos is a nuclear bomb and telling the government to fuck off as they drip fed acc…

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Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by jstummbillig »

fumar wrote: post #71

Is regulation unregulated in the US? As in it’s missing consistency and transparency. Beyond Anthropic, the US signals to the world that depending and using American solutions is high risk. Is that what the US government desires? The digital battleground across regions is on the rise. I don’t see us as the US on the right path.

> Is regulation unregulated in the US? As in it’s missing consistency and transparency.

Institutions are not built around zero trust. Because when we assume attackers are identifiable, and there is some level of integrity, that makes things a lot simpler and cheaper.

I will not expect my pediatrician to want to kill my child and they certainly could, but it would be completely bonkers to try to guard against that.

The level of damage that a single really motivated, disgruntled person with a lot of power can do in most settings is intense. The cost inflicted if we tried to build guardrails against all of it is insane, and it probably would never work.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by ckozlowski »

sp4cec0wb0y wrote: post #138
tomjakubowski wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US regulation is, in theory, regulated by Congress, which passes laws granting regulation powers to the federal agencies. Congress and the laws it passes are, in theory, regulated by the Constitution, and interpretation thereof by the Supreme Court.

And the supreme court is unregulated (except for appointment and impeachment).

Well, that and, by passing additional legislation.

There's two parts to this. The first is that in most cases, the issues stem from lack of clarity in existing legislation, or contradictions thereof. At anytime, if Congress does not like the way the Supreme Court ruled, they can pass different legislation.

The second stems in part from the first. If what Congress passed is interpreted as being unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, the States can amend the constitution.

There is no case where the Supreme Court can (in principle) simply make their own rules*

The debate and controversy comes where the Supreme Court is seen as making their own rules (or arguably asked to) because the legislative process is deemed too cumbersome or disadvantageous to a party. In my opinion, this is where a lot of the difficulties lie, in that the Supreme Court is asked to rule on matters that really should be more clearly legislated. But the issues are seen as easier/quicker to address by convincing 9 justices rather than two legislative bodies and a chief executive. Naturally, this brings it's own consequences.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by ceejayoz »

ckozlowski wrote: post #145
sp4cec0wb0y wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the supreme court is unregulated (except for appointment and impeachment).

Well, that and, by passing additional legislation. There's two parts to this. The first is that in most cases, the issues stem from lack of clarity in existing legislation, or contradictions thereof. At anytime, if Congress does not like the way the Supreme Court ruled, they can pass different legislation. The second stems in part from the first. If what Congress passed is interpreted as being unconstitutional by the…

> Well, that and, by passing additional legislation.

The Voting Rights Act might disagree on that.

> There is no case where the Supreme Court can (in principle) simply make their own rules.

With at least one significant exception.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by sanderjd »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #127
sanderjd wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, correct. Singling out companies based on political beefs and to incentivize everyone to curry favor is the worst way to do regulation.

You're correct, yet it's also a fact that Anthropic was attempting regulatory capture in order to limit open weight models, cripple their competition and solidify their market position. Nothing wrong with enjoying the sheer Schadenfreude of the situation. Their self-serving fearmongering had the most hilariously unexpected result possible.

Maybe. But I disagree in general with "nothing wrong with enjoying the sheer schadenfreude of the situation". Schadenfreude is a description of a common human impulse that is not a good impulse!

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Post by christkv »

wrs wrote: post #142
Lionga wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Anthropic published, not a two-word request for regulation, but a lengthy proposal for how regulation could work, with safeguards and due process. Instead, one morning the administration just woke up, grabbed the nearest hammer, and went smash, like it usually does.

They proposed a plan to ensure their dominance of the space and to cripple any competitors using regulation as the weapon. So I’m not going to feel sorry for them and their temporary plight

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Post by [deleted] »

Lionga wrote: post #67
amazingamazing wrote: post #12

> We’re proposing stronger regulation of the technology. We’re proposing giving the government the ability to, again in a narrow way, block deployment of unsafe technology. Anthropic CEO https://abc7.com/post/anthropic-ceo-dario-amodei-calls-stron...

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Post by tiahura »

enraged_camel wrote: post #73
amazingamazing wrote: post #12

> We’re proposing stronger regulation of the technology. We’re proposing giving the government the ability to, again in a narrow way, block deployment of unsafe technology. Anthropic CEO https://abc7.com/post/anthropic-ceo-dario-amodei-calls-stron...

Okay, so why are other models not banned too? This "jailbreak" works for them as well.

How would you know? Amazon and the NSA thought it was a problem, but you know better?
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