Just a note, be careful on your laptop in the front passenger seat. If you get into an accident, the airbag is pushing that device right towards your head.
Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness
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Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's been rumored that Google would build it into Android for years: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-motion-cues-pixels-n... I've tried some of those Android equivalents and they seemed to work on any motion, not on acceleration like the Apple one.
That's physically impossible.
I think what he means is that the iPhone dots seem to move based on vehicle acceleration and deceleration, whereas the android ones use all phone motion.
If I move my iPhone around in my hands the dots don't move, but on my android they do (ie are simulating a stable horizon as the phone tilts, immediately). I don't know which is more effective. I thought the iPhone one was broken at first and didn't have the best results from it, I'm hoping the less-subtle android ones will work better for me.
Edit: I read from the docs that Apple's works best when facing forward, and I was often sitting sideways on a train
Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's physically impossible.
I think what he means is that the iPhone dots seem to move based on vehicle acceleration and deceleration, whereas the android ones use all phone motion. If I move my iPhone around in my hands the dots don't move, but on my android they do (ie are simulating a stable horizon as the phone tilts, immediately). I don't know which is more effective. I thought the iPhone one was broken at first and didn't have the best re…
That's strange, any idea how it could be able to differentiate?
My only guess is some sort of processing, like wait and see if it follows the expected acceleration pattern (moderate initial acceleration from the unexpected-to-the-user car motion, followed by a stronger acceleration in the same direction as one's hands push the phone to keep it in the same visual place) but I'd assume such lag is precisely the issue VR etc. has and makes people extra sick. By the time you've counteracted it, your brain has clearly registered that the movement is disjointed from the visual input, so then it's too late for them dots to help right?! That couldn't possibly work (or could it). Very curious how this works. Like, surely it doesn't need to be connected to a compatible car?
Edit: wait, or the camera. That would be very battery-intensive (I guess theoretically it could turn on only 1% of 1 color channel on the sensor, but I'm not aware that this is a mode that the hardware/firmware supports), but when you move it yourself, then the camera would see motion in the opposite direction as when you're unexpectedly being moved such as in a car. Still seems unlikely
Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness
#144My personal model of motion sickness is that either your inner ear is saying, "Hey we are moving" and your eyes are saying "No we're not!" (classic sea sickness/car thing). Or your eyes are saying, "Hey we're moving!" and your inner ear is saying, "No we're not!" (classic VR motion sickness).
So it makes sense with that model that you'd get motion sickness reading in the car. Your eyes are so focused on the fixed page you're not getting the movement cues you would if you looked out the window. The dots give you that cue somewhat subliminally.
I have a theory it could be slightly nauseating for one to try and read when not in motion while dots moved around the page like that.
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#145Unlike many obvious inventions, this is novel enough to deserve patent protection.
Why? Volvo famously gave away seatbelts to everyone so that it benefits the humanity. Why do you want something useful like this to be with a company? Isnt it better if everyone in the world benefitted from this?
My elderly mother paying $350/month for Eliquis (in the US) would love this sentiment.
Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness
#146Seems like there's a few android equivalents: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.panshen.mo... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.urbandroid... And even one that claims to work with sound: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.a1... EDIT: Actually there's an enormous number of apps like this, many released very recently with similar style etc. Weird.
Tried the first one and it doesn't seem to work (dots don't respond to motion), and is absolutely riddled with intrusive ads. The one that another commenter left which is on F-droid is much better
Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
I figured it was more if (areEyesDetectingMotion != isBodyDetectingMotion) vomit() If it was just eyes and ears it doesn't seem like VR motion sickness would be such a thing.
I suppose you could design an experiment that mucked with proprioception but not the vestibular system. Count me out as a test subject.
There's a company that supposedly created a device that mucks with your vestibular system to combat vertigo.
https://otolithlabs.com/vertigo/
This site has been up for several years though with no product being released, so I'm starting to question if it actually worked.
Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
OTOH, motion sickness is often called "car sickness" for a reason, people who suffer from it only sometimes suffer on a bus, and rarely if ever on a train or a plane, so I'm not sure I would agree that "all transportation and tourism related businesses" are impacted. Also, doesn't dimenhydrinate work for your wife or kids?
Dimenhydrinate has undesirable side effects. My wife cannot ride buses and gets sick on planes too. It restricts our travel quite a bit.
Yeah, my wife and I were on a cruise once that was going through some VERY rough waters, and the swaying of the ship was making us sick. We took dimenhydrinate and it put us to sleep right after breakfast and we slept until like 5 PM. Lost an entire day.
There's a non-drowsy anti-sickness formula out now called meclizine, but I found it to be less effective.
Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness
#149yeah this feature totally works for me, I've been using it for a few months now.
Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness
#150They don't cure my kids' or wife's car sickness, unfortunately. I'm not sure the implementation is as good as it could be. It seems a bit rough. Motion sickness is an overlooked problem. A large percentage of the population has severe, almost debilitating motion sickness. It curtails a ton of travel. Almost all transportation and tourism related businesses would stand to benefit hugely from a real cure, not to mentio…
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