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Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Do you think that meat consumption doesn't release heat equivalent to the caloric input?

And a large amount of the energy for that comes from the sun, not burning fossil fuels. Again, the scale is the issue at hand. These data centers are consuming more supplies and power for something that is not necessary to human existence

Why do you think you're the best arbiter of what is necessary for others?

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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So what does one of these full time data center jobs look like, day to day? If I’m a software engineer I feel like I’d have to move and get a pay decrease to actually work at one of these? I mean until AI finally puts me out of a job. I guess I wouldn’t really be qualified to work one of these jobs?

You're likely unqualified. You'll be competing against a pool of people who are qualified and have worked these jobs.

I used to do SWE. Early in my career I realized that DCO/DCE was not only an entire discipline unto itself, but that the rest of the "team" looked down on it because it required physical labor. Perfect, I don't feel like I've done Real Work unless I do something in the physical world. Hence my DCE jobs. I would not be able to do SWE today.

But I'll tell you this: way more than once I've had a cocky new hire from the HFT I work at wither under simple tasks: Please re-balance the load across all phases of these PDUs. Please groom & remove dead cables from wherever. But you don't have time to figure it out on the fly. You have an hour to have it DONE.

Anyway, I think your intuition serves you well. :)

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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And a large amount of the energy for that comes from the sun, not burning fossil fuels. Again, the scale is the issue at hand. These data centers are consuming more supplies and power for something that is not necessary to human existence

Why do you think you're the best arbiter of what is necessary for others?

Why do you think that the monied interests of billionaires and trillionaires are a better arbiter of what is necessary for humanity?

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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What a refreshing change from a post like this on Reddit. It would be hysterics like they’re emptying lakes and using electricity (gasp!) and if you get really close it’s 60db (!!) loud. I only wish we had a competent administration at this point that would put in clever laws like requiring data centers to build out accompanying solar+battery buildouts to power themselves or something.

Are you suggesting 60db is is acceptably quiet? It is well above the thresholds for sleep disturbance, negative health consequences, and in line with that of "[extreme irritation]". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_from_noise Noise pollution is a serious issue and is second behind air pollution among environmental health risks.

60db outside is like 35-45 indoors which is considered very quiet, almost silent.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Why do you think you're the best arbiter of what is necessary for others?

Why do you think that the monied interests of billionaires and trillionaires are a better arbiter of what is necessary for humanity?

I don't see how they're relevant. These are market responses.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Why do you think that the monied interests of billionaires and trillionaires are a better arbiter of what is necessary for humanity?

I don't see how they're relevant. These are market responses.

Who do you think is investing hundreds of billions into the capex? Who is pushing that?

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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100% of the water that is 'used up' in a datacenter, or even in electrical generation, is evaporated into the atmosphere. The same one where the rain comes from. Everywhere East of the Rockies, they don't even have droughts, so that seems like a lot of area where we can use a lot of water with basically no impact because it's all just coming back into the water cycle directly as opposed to ending up in a water treatm…

> Everywhere East of the Rockies, they don't even have droughts What? https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/

Pardon my mistake. How do you even manage to have a drought when it rains all year long? Sorry, that just doesn't make any sense. You can drive around anywhere on the East Coast and everything everywhere is green all summer. I've seen plenty of places where people have 2-acre lawns that have no irrigation whatsoever, it just stays green. How can this be and still have a "drought"?

Maybe "drought" doesn't mean what I think it means. In this case, I amend my comment to say "There's clearly lots of water there" instead of "drought."

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I don't see how they're relevant. These are market responses.

Who do you think is investing hundreds of billions into the capex? Who is pushing that?

I just think once anyone says "billionaires" they've lost the plot on how change happens.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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It’s clear you don’t know what you’re talking about. Data centers don’t use water.

So how does their cooling work? Clearly you haven't looked into this much

After a closed loop system is filled how much water does it consume?

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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I'm sorry to hear you're struggling. I see dozens of sources of information. Here's another! https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/closed-loop-co...

An individual report of a data center and no statistics. For the third time - where are you getting that 60-80% number? What is the source of that information?

You have the tools to synthesize all the public information about this right at your fingertips!
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