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If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort
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Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort
#142A very prolific coworker who fully embraced claude has inflicted the team with a flood of AI-generated PRs. About six months later, it is his frequent bemoaning at the standup that their PR don't get reviewed, languishing in inattention. I don't think anyone - including myself - _intentionally_ avoid his PRs. It's just that he doesn't make it easy for the team to look at. This single headline perfectly captures what…
why not just approve the PRs with little more than a cursory glance? One of two things will happen: 1. Things start breaking, proving AI generated code sucks and the individual spamming these PRs is incompetent. 2. The code works fine and reviews are unnecessary for anything other than liability concerns.
Some of us actually take the "engineering" in "software engineering" seriously.
That includes taking responsibility and accountability so that the software doesn't become a sad and dangerous mess.
If we want to be an engineering discipline, just yoloing in production is not going to cut it.
Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort
#143This is extra work on human.
Many artist and content creator is now asked to show the "behind the scene" or a full session recording, which nobody care enough to check. This is frustrating and demotivating the artist.
Expect the same demotivating effect on the software contributor.
If you think reading _forwarded_ AI response are cheap, you can run your own LLM. It is the same amount work on you
Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort
#144If the agent does everything for you it means it can do everything for the next person. At that point you're replaceable and have no value in your field. Learn things deeply even if you use AI because its the deep knowledge workers that will keep getting hired.
> Learn things deeply even if you use AI because its the deep knowledge workers that will keep getting hired.
The problem is that this realistically is only applicable and actionable to a subset of the labor pool, and that subset is decreasing.
There are a lot of people who discovered that their "deep knowledge" and "deep skill" wasn't as deep as they thought (read: "deep" enough to make them irreplaceable to their employer). People are generally pretty good at overestimating their value.
Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, if everyone is telling you they want you to adapt AI, then it's rational to see just how much of your job you can get it to do for you.
It's even worse when everyone around you is using it. How can you keep up? Companies face the same dilemma: investors, competitors, and users already use AI and have factored it into their expectations.
Keep up with what?
We've already established that most of it is noise. You don't need to keep up with producing noise.
Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort
#146I see this on my team. I honestly thought as engineers we'd all understand the limitations and nuance a bit better. Right now it's kind of a shit show. In addition to seeing my teammates open huge AI generated PRs and just asking for review without them having done much verification, I'm also seeing my teammates (smart ones whom I respect) use AI to "do code reviews". And we already have automated AI code reviews added to our PRs. So now I'm sometimes getting hallucinated BS responses from "human" reviews.
This makes me absolutely SURE that the general public is fucked and that we're going to start seeing huge AI generated fuckups on a regular basis. If people in this industry, basically experts compared to the general public, are misusing this tech in such seemingly obvious ways, imagine the ways non technical people will misunderstand and misapply it. Of course, with the help of overhyped BS from everyone hyping and selling it.
Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort
#147It surprises me how many people have voluntarily relegated their entire job to LLM Prompter. If your work is indistinguishable from that of a machine, what’s to stop your boss cutting out the middleman and using the machine directly? I would have thought that people would be trying their hardest to prove their worth in this new world we’re in.
having worked in tech and now running my own company.. the honest truth is that maybe 10-20% of SWE (at best) are “good”. sure it is harsh but i won't lie. if you're good you'll probably relate. the rest kind of suck. i’ve never gotten anything lower than Exceeds Expectations in my career so I’ve seen how awful some engineers were. i’ve seen how amazing a tiny minority were and i made them my mentors. these days i ha…
Everybody talks about finding that mythical 10X but in my recent hiring experience it's more like there's a whole bunch of 0Xs and the trick is finding the actual 1Xs among them.
Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's even worse when everyone around you is using it. How can you keep up? Companies face the same dilemma: investors, competitors, and users already use AI and have factored it into their expectations.
Keep up with what? We've already established that most of it is noise. You don't need to keep up with producing noise.
Even if there's a lot of noise there's clearly something real there. People are shipping more working products than was previously possible, they're debugging faster than was previously possible, and various other things. I mean you can go fishing for things to confirm your skepticism if you want but it's pretty clear to me.
Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like one potential interpretation of his behavior is that he values his own time more than your time. I wonder if that's occurred to him.
Well, what's the solution here, he should ship less stuff?
The reviewer gets to merge the PR so their name appears on all the great new features and they are credited for them. That would end his unfair behaviour of dumping effort onto other people.
OR - he gets a review for every review he does.
Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort
#150Why this suddenly becomes urgent? For long time we had automatic emails with "thank you" which weren't written by humans, why something is different today?