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Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by mbesto »

twiclo wrote: post #134
big85 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're citing Fight the New Drug, a Mormon anti-porn organization whose angle was to define pornography as an addiction to justify laws banning it as a health crisis. My point is, they operate openly and can be held accountable, as lawsuits demonstrate. The alternative to this sort of site is the Dark Web, where nobody is held accountable and the law is broken with impunity. Pornhub is by far the lesser of two evils…

One of my 5 sources is from Fight the New Drug and you turn to an ad hominem because I guess Mormons can't make good arguments and it's ridiculous to say that people can be addicted to porn. Sounds like you're in denial of that for yourself. We don't have to choose between two evils. If adults want to watch porn they need to prove they're an adult. You wouldn't say we should stop age verifying people for online gambl…

The first link is the FTC punishing Pornhub for something they did wrong. That is the parent commentator's main point (e.g. it can be regulated), which you keep ignoring.

> You wouldn't say we should stop age verifying people for online gambling just because there are "dark web" gambling websites.

False equivalencies. Gambling and porn have VERY different dynamics to them.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by pixl97 »

bluGill wrote: post #106
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Not really because nearly every adult has a phone with unlimited calling, and will allow you to make a call from their phone. I don't want my kids to be someplace where there are not some responsible adults around (drunk adults are not responsible) I remember about 10 or 12 years ago, I'd answer every incoming call. Many were wrong numbers (guy who had the phone number before we was, I kid you not, some sort of wine…

10 years ago I was wondering if things would reach that point. However these days I almost never get junk calls and so I answer the phone again. I guess our experience is different.

Is your phone company blocking them?

I have phone numbers in an area code that just seems to get flooded with spam calls. Even our unpublished numbers get them so it doesn't seem like directed attacks, just broadcast spam.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

pjc50 wrote: post #32
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #27

"with nine out of 10 parents saying they are in favour of a ban in response to a government consultation" I wonder why those 90% of parents don't cut their children off from social media right now. They have the power to do it.

I suspect they don't really; once you give a teen a smartphone your control over what websites they visit ends. (you will reply "don't do that then") But also: cutting one kid off from social networks ostracises them. The parents recognize it's a collective action problem.

Maybe legally banning minors from smartphones instead of from arbitrary websites is the better idea.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by pixl97 »

ctoth wrote: post #128
zdragnar wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and will allow you to make a call from their phone. People can be wildly reluctant to just hand over a thousand or two dollars worth of equipment to a teenager in a busy street and hope they don't run off with it. Smartphone theft is still a thing.

> People can be wildly reluctant to just hand over a thousand or two dollars worth of equipment Who owns a $2,000 phone which isn't insured and should they really be leaving their house?

I own a $60,000 dollar car that's insured, still doesn't mean I'm going to just let anyone use it when I depend on it.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by EmbarrassedHelp »

twiclo wrote: post #134
big85 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're citing Fight the New Drug, a Mormon anti-porn organization whose angle was to define pornography as an addiction to justify laws banning it as a health crisis. My point is, they operate openly and can be held accountable, as lawsuits demonstrate. The alternative to this sort of site is the Dark Web, where nobody is held accountable and the law is broken with impunity. Pornhub is by far the lesser of two evils…

One of my 5 sources is from Fight the New Drug and you turn to an ad hominem because I guess Mormons can't make good arguments and it's ridiculous to say that people can be addicted to porn. Sounds like you're in denial of that for yourself. We don't have to choose between two evils. If adults want to watch porn they need to prove they're an adult. You wouldn't say we should stop age verifying people for online gambl…

Until there is zero societal stigma towards sex and legal sexual preferences, mandatory age verification for adult content is completely unacceptable.

Mandatory age verification for adult content should be illegal.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by EmbarrassedHelp »

jmyeet wrote: post #39

I believe we could solve a lot of these problems by making it illegal to advertise to minors. I'm reminded of the settlement with Facebook where it was illegally allowing racial targeting in ads for housing, which is illegal [1]. If platforms were suddenly liable for allowing or failing to stop the targeting of minors, they'd suddenly have a lot of incentive to figure this out. The beauty of this is that they already…

Unless you make age verification and age assurance illegal with massive fines that are larger than your proposed fines, that is a terrible idea.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by ctoth »

pixl97 wrote: post #144
ctoth wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People can be wildly reluctant to just hand over a thousand or two dollars worth of equipment Who owns a $2,000 phone which isn't insured and should they really be leaving their house?

I own a $60,000 dollar car that's insured, still doesn't mean I'm going to just let anyone use it when I depend on it.

I would assume that you cannot merely walk in to the nearest Apple car store and get a new car the same day if something bad happened to your car, so I don't really understand your statement as there is no equivalency here to exploit in your analogy.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by bluGill »

pixl97 wrote: post #142
bluGill wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10 years ago I was wondering if things would reach that point. However these days I almost never get junk calls and so I answer the phone again. I guess our experience is different.

Is your phone company blocking them? I have phone numbers in an area code that just seems to get flooded with spam calls. Even our unpublished numbers get them so it doesn't seem like directed attacks, just broadcast spam.

It wouldn't surprise me, but I don't know. There have been enough complaints that I'd expect everyone to do some blocking.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by EmbarrassedHelp »

twiclo wrote: post #65
garbawarb wrote: post #12

Obviously? I'm shocked that lawmakers are so okay with giving up their sons' and daughters' personal information.

What law requires that? From what I've seen laws like the one in Utah require any account to be in "child mode" until you can prove you're an adult. Also these law makers don't want their kids on social media.

> require any account to be in "child mode" until you can prove you're an adult.

That means unacceptable privacy violations that hurts every child and adult.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by pixl97 »

knome wrote: post #47
szszrk wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are more angles on this, not exactly easy. The easiest way to make a kid to do something, is to forbid that very thing. If you are the one cutting it off, while your kid's whole school is very much up to date with latest brainrot content, then you still lose. Your kid is the outcast, while it will be exposed to it anyway, through peers. Meanwhile you are the bad one, making it much harder to have an actual conv…

You're a parent. Be the bad guy if you feel it's right. Wanting the government to levy a society-wide information tracking system because you don't want your child to be upset at you is incredibly selfish.

I mean, we already have corporations levying a society-wide information tracking system that they just sell the government information from, so there's that.

With this said, if the government doesn't ban cellphones/tablets at school all of your blocking kids at home from electronics is fucking useless.

My daughter pulled this crap as a teenager where we banned her from social media... so she got an old tablet from a friend and setup all new accounts. It was only months later that we caught her at it.

Kids are way more resourceful than you think.

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