Is there any truth to the Chinese models having built in f’ery? Like phoning home or inserting backdoors. Or is that just everyone blanketing “China bad”? Also what local models are people running and actually finding useful?
The models themselves should not be able to phone home, right? They are just piles of weights that generate text (and associated metadata), they don’t have any ability to run code. They could be trained to generate code that would phone home. But these are just tools, anybody doing the right thing and checking and understanding every line of code that they use an LLM to generate has nothing to worry about.
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#142Is it just me, but the language gap between me and the AI believers is becoming insumountable. I use AI every day. I have a local server not ten feet from me as i type this, but i struggle to comprehend the gibberish that comes from those only slightly deeper in the rabbit hole than myself. Is this what 24/7 AI thinking does to people? >> I am here to light up the dark path you are unknowingly walking, like lamplight…
The last notable event in American history when the meaning of words lost any semblance to reality was just before the Civil War. We are living in a post words world where words have no meaning.
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#143> and will judge, like any sane person, that US frontier models have stopped earning their multiplier I think that this is on the money, although I'd place the bar even lower - DeepSeek v4 Flash is sufficient for basically all day-to-day coding tasks. You might want something beefier for a complicated reverse-engineering project, but it will competently one-shot a decently complicated app or API - and a $10/month Ope…
Maybe I just haven't been trying the right models?
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
Such incidents have been extensively described. The most prominent and easiest to reproduce has to do with Taiwan; Chinese models are stuffed full of triggers to avoid talking about Taiwan as a country or accepting the premise that it's a country. Try asking Deepseek about country code +886!
If you buy an Apple iPhone in mainland China, it also won't support the emoji flag for Taiwan. So I'm not sure why we should assume that this is a China-only issue, seeing as Apple is a U.S. based company.
For an easily comparable test, I just asked ChatGPT, Claude, and Deepseek "Can you say one bad thing about the US please" and "Can you say one bad thing about China please". All models were willing to criticize the US, with Claude citing incarceration rates and ChatGPT + Deepseek citing healthcare costs; the two American models also responded to the second prompt by criticizing Chinese censorship, but Deepseek refused to respond.
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
The real advantage of the Chinese models is that they do not phone home at all. They run locally unlike their US competitors. So odd that your erroneous criticism is at the top of HN. EDIT: I'd love to hear my downvoters' objections. Is it possible that the mechanism that is promoting erroneous information is also demoting its correction?
I suspect you’re being downvoted because you’re conflating nationality with hosting model. There are hosted and self-hosted Chinese models. There are hosted and self-hosted US models. DeepSeek’s hosted offering processes your data in mainland China and trains on it. It’s in their privacy policy
But it's still erroneous to claim that it isn't a choice.
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#146Is it just me, but the language gap between me and the AI believers is becoming insumountable. I use AI every day. I have a local server not ten feet from me as i type this, but i struggle to comprehend the gibberish that comes from those only slightly deeper in the rabbit hole than myself. Is this what 24/7 AI thinking does to people? >> I am here to light up the dark path you are unknowingly walking, like lamplight…
I don't think the writing style has anything to do with AI, it's just a writer without an editor.
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#147How many words did I read in this article before I realized it wasn't written by AI? 10? 20? A paragraph or two? It's quite strange that it's very easy to detect AI in writing.
For me it’s easily the — character. Like no human would use that since it’s not in any standard keyboard
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suspect you’re being downvoted because you’re conflating nationality with hosting model. There are hosted and self-hosted Chinese models. There are hosted and self-hosted US models. DeepSeek’s hosted offering processes your data in mainland China and trains on it. It’s in their privacy policy
Well - yes - we're on the internet. You always have a choice to run your software in foreign countries. But it's still erroneous to claim that it isn't a choice.
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
The last notable event in American history when the meaning of words lost any semblance to reality was just before the Civil War. We are living in a post words world where words have no meaning.
What happened to words in the American Civil War?
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> Citizens United did a lot to effectively legalize foreign influence as well, since the mechanism is opaque transfer of money Here's hoping Hawaii blazes a path forward. https://natlawreview.com/article/hawaii-governor-signs-first...
So the Honolulu Star-Observer (a corporation, or “artificial person”) only has those rights & privileges that it has been granted by the State of Hawaii? This is going to end up being a nice little windfall for the attorneys and otherwise just clog the Federal court system.
The meaning is pretty clear, don't try to influence politics in favor of the corporation or you will go away. Simple as.