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Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by jameson »

I believe surveillance can only work in society at a very small scale.

Surveillance == Information == Power.

Who then, manages the surveillance? You? Me? A government?

How do I trust them?

*Trust* is the fundamental problem with surveillance.

An innocent person was killed on a street. Surveillance camera on every corner of the street would've easily caught the murderer.

Who manages the recording? An individual? Entity? A government? How do I know they aren't face-tagging and selling the data?

It's always about trust.

An interesting case to consider is Seoul, South Korea which actually has cameras almost on very corner of the street. In my view, general population prefers streets recorded to avoid aforementioned situation, and it can only work if people have trust in the government. In the US contrary, my view is that the disconnect between the government and the people are too wide to have such trust.

Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by kys11 »

f-serif wrote: post #113

Bangladesh is one of the best example of it. People usually don't want to follow traffic laws on road. Now that we have AI camera recording and AI fine system, people try their best to follow traffic laws. We are becoming Japan following traffic laws in certain areas. Police usually were scared to fine million dollars cars (because the car owner might be part of something higher power and they could lose their job).…

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Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by yesbut »

EastLondonCoder wrote: post #71

I think the really dangerous part here is not just “surveillance bad”. It is that AI removes the labour cost that used to limit surveillance. CCTV was already a problem, but someone still had to watch it, search it, interpret it, escalate it. AI changes that. It makes surveillance searchable, scalable and administratively useful. The shift is from “you may be observed” to “your behaviour can be continuously machine-i…

> Police bodycams should make police accountable.

on an often under reported note, police body cams have led to an increase in police brutality as opposed to a reduction.

https://prismreports.org/2024/07/16/complex-troubling-histor...

excellent book on the topic: https://thenewpress.org/books/copaganda/

Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by squidsoup »

vondur wrote: post #114
squidsoup wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While that’s true, the Chinese government does also seem to be motivated to keep the cost of housing and food low for its citizens, and provide services and facilities for the public good.

Ha, you really believe that? You can't live in area without the permission of the Government. The current Chinese regime seems to be really going kinda crazy with their new leader. They've lost their more practical leadership since the new guy has consolidated power.

It’s not a matter of belief - cost of rent and food in Chinese cities are 50-70% lower than US cities. There are hundreds of sources that will confirm that.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_resu...

China’s food policy is also well documented https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_policy_in_China

Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by greenhearth »

f-serif wrote: post #113

Bangladesh is one of the best example of it. People usually don't want to follow traffic laws on road. Now that we have AI camera recording and AI fine system, people try their best to follow traffic laws. We are becoming Japan following traffic laws in certain areas. Police usually were scared to fine million dollars cars (because the car owner might be part of something higher power and they could lose their job).…

Where does it end? What if it hallucinates you robbing an old lady but you just walked past her? Have fun getting swarmed and dragged away. Etc. when will it be used to frame political dissidents?

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Post by mhotchen »

f-serif wrote: post #113

Bangladesh is one of the best example of it. People usually don't want to follow traffic laws on road. Now that we have AI camera recording and AI fine system, people try their best to follow traffic laws. We are becoming Japan following traffic laws in certain areas. Police usually were scared to fine million dollars cars (because the car owner might be part of something higher power and they could lose their job).…

Oh wow I went and looked that up after reading your comment. Launched less than a month ago! Incredible that you're seeing such impact already

Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by standardly »

EastLondonCoder wrote: post #71

I think the really dangerous part here is not just “surveillance bad”. It is that AI removes the labour cost that used to limit surveillance. CCTV was already a problem, but someone still had to watch it, search it, interpret it, escalate it. AI changes that. It makes surveillance searchable, scalable and administratively useful. The shift is from “you may be observed” to “your behaviour can be continuously machine-i…

That is copied straight from an LLM.

Do folks make no attempt at humanizing their LLM outputs? Is that even worth doing?

I personally wish you guys would - the moment I realize I'm reading an LLM-generated comment, my interest immediately wanes and I stop reading.

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