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DuckDuckGo makes its 'no-AI' search engine easier to access as its traffic booms

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Step 1: read the article. Step 2 (optional): comment on the article. You're doing these in the wrong order.

You should explain why, otherwise you risk becoming part of the problem.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48362218>

Re: DuckDuckGo makes its 'no-AI' search engine easier to access as its traffic booms

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I switched to DDG search three months ago, and unfortunately it's much inferior to Google. Maybe I've subconsciously optimized my queries for Google these past 20 years and need to rethink how to query using DDG, though.

I dunno man. I switched years ago, and still to this day, when I get a bad set of results... I throw a g! on it, and still get shitty results.

Re: DuckDuckGo makes its 'no-AI' search engine easier to access as its traffic booms

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Pretty much everywhere. AI is only popular with AI providers and delusional C-suites.

Anecdote: Most of the anti-AI sentiment I hear is from internet communities like BlueSky. I don't find this generalizable.

There are quite a lot of anti-AI sentiments expressed here.

Re: DuckDuckGo makes its 'no-AI' search engine easier to access as its traffic booms

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Biggest problem is that google has a near exclusive deal with reddit, so all other search engines have old reddit results [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41057033

The older the better imo, seems like a useful feature. If I come across a thread from 10-15 years ago, sure it might still be a bot, but to me it's less likely to be dead internet and automatically higher signal

Honestly my first thought too. My Frontpage is half obviously Ai written posts these days, filtering by a couple years back would be a good thing

Re: DuckDuckGo makes its 'no-AI' search engine easier to access as its traffic booms

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My non-tech savvy mother started reading the stuff the Google Search AI answers to for some searches, and she's already fed up with it saying whatever. To her it doesn't matter that the "AI can make mistakes" because (in her own wording) "if it's faulty, don't answer". There's a difference between "linking to a source that may be incorrect" and "you providing the text that's blatantly wrong", and Google seems too big…

Google only cares when something gains traction (and thus potentially hurts its bottom line". For example, it was answering "How many p's in Google" with "There are two p's in Google"[1] for long enough for me to get non-technical family members making a joke out of it. Google fixed it, only for it then to briefly tell you there were no p's in 'Alphabet' either. Those particular bits on nonsense seem to have been sto…

I fail to understand why people think LLMs working in tokens (and thus having a hard time counting letters) is such a huge gotcha. Ask it to write you a bash script that counts the amount of p's in a word you input it'll do it fine. Then ask it to write that script in C, JavaScript, Lua, and a few other languages. Then ask your family members to do the same. The gotcha can go both ways.

Re: DuckDuckGo makes its 'no-AI' search engine easier to access as its traffic booms

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Google only cares when something gains traction (and thus potentially hurts its bottom line". For example, it was answering "How many p's in Google" with "There are two p's in Google"[1] for long enough for me to get non-technical family members making a joke out of it. Google fixed it, only for it then to briefly tell you there were no p's in 'Alphabet' either. Those particular bits on nonsense seem to have been sto…

I fail to understand why people think LLMs working in tokens (and thus having a hard time counting letters) is such a huge gotcha. Ask it to write you a bash script that counts the amount of p's in a word you input it'll do it fine. Then ask it to write that script in C, JavaScript, Lua, and a few other languages. Then ask your family members to do the same. The gotcha can go both ways.

LLMs are directly marketed as not requiring understanding of how it works.

The PR is "Its magic!"

So people try to treat it like magic, and don't like when it detonates a fireball in a room that is too small.

Not requiring technical knowledge is the selling point. That it doesn't need you to think.

Re: DuckDuckGo makes its 'no-AI' search engine easier to access as its traffic booms

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"Wait, we're getting an influx of new users, and they actively don't want us to run the most expensive part of our search results page?" Where can I find such accommodating customers myself?

Remember the scene in "You got mail" where there are bunch of people who protest against big retailer and support the local bookstore but at the end of the day, they have no extra sales. All these anti-Google, anti-facebook, anti-Instagram, anti-OpenAI, anti-Claude stories are exactly that. Provide copium and feel good for a handful of people for a few days.

Protesting against a suboptimal Nash equilibrium is not wrong, just because protesting is ineffective at changing the rules of the game.

Re: DuckDuckGo makes its 'no-AI' search engine easier to access as its traffic booms

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Yeah, gonna be honest. I ridiculed people for it before, but now I use Google's AI a lot. I haven't used Google in over a decade otherwise and I still don't. I use Brave for search but Google's AI is better than anyone else's for what I do. You heard it guys, I was wrong. I admit it.

Google's search AI caused a panic in my household just several nights ago. We were looking up an issue with our pet and the very first thing my partner saw searching google was an AI answer saying you need to panic, this is an emergency, get your animal to an emergency room asap before they die. That of course kicked her into Oh Shit mode. But aside from that answer none of the actual search results either of us were…

I think that's foolish engagement with the technology though. Never panic, always double check. I don't take it as factual. It's just a statistical summary of something it read and it must always be treated as such. In your case, why not just ask 5 other AI's and take a poll?

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People need to be independently rich, or be extremelly frugal to not care about the hypothetical obsolescence of their jobs. What the fuck do you expect? That people just cheer a brave new world of diminishing salaries and disappearing jobs along with some vague promises that every thing will be alright?

Yes, I absolutely do expect computer programmers to cheer as the brave new world they helped create is ushered in. How many people here got rich by automating away the jobs of others? I mean, what is this? Others are fair game, but programming is sacred? That's quite simply the peak of absurdity.

What industries and professions has software actually made extinct?

The result of most software has been "you do basically the same job except now you do it on a computer"

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