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Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks
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Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks
#142This take seems particularly crackpot. If gun manufacturers can't be sued for product liability when used to fire bullets into people, it's rich to say that the manufacturer of a chatbot can be found liable when it mindlessly says "Good point" to people who already have serious mental health problems. If so, would this program also open me up to liability in Florida? const platitudes = ['Good point!', 'You're absolut…
The purpose of a gun is to kill things, whereas the purpose of a chat bot is to help people. They're not really in the same category of tool.
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Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
It can go quite a bit beyond providing generation information. There is a detailed description with many quote from ChatGPT in this complaint [1]. [1] https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26078522-raine-vs-op...
"When Adam uploaded photographs of severe rope burns around his neck––evidence of suicide attempts usingChatGPT’s hanging instructions––the product recognized a medical emergency but continued to engage anyway. When he asked how Kate Spade had managed a successful partial hanging (a suffocation method that uses a ligature and body weight to cut off airflow), ChatGPT identified the key factors that increase lethality,…
When I was growing up Adam would get his hands on a gun and taken out his last school.
Canada has moved to state assisted suicides that allows people who aren't terminal to get the state to pay for it.
Progress indeed.
Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
> a chat bot We are clearly not discussing deployments in military campaigns.The suit in question is specifically regarding "ChatGPT" used conversationally.
> suit in question is specifically regarding "ChatGPT" used conversationally The suit in question doesn't involve any guns. We're obviously having a broader discussion.
Regarding guns and chat bots. You've said as much and the origin of the discussion says as much. Where does anyone suggest they are referring to use of LLMs in military deployments other than you?
Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a little crazy that Florida's politicians want to lay blame for school shootings, which have happened regularly in Florida since long before AI was a thing, although a large number of incidents are not fatal or mass shooting events. Probably the only response stupider than "Nothing could have prevented this" is "Random thing, other than the mental state of the murderer and the access to firearms, caused this."
See also, video games, dungeons and dragons, etc.
heavy metal music, television, radio, Harry Potter books, females not covered in clothing head to toe, the lack of a good Christian upbringing, rap music, the banning of corporal punishment, being made aware of the existence of homosexuality, sex education in schools, the legalisation of abortion, open borders, a visit to Europe, proximity to wind farms, divorce, witches.
Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
"When Adam uploaded photographs of severe rope burns around his neck––evidence of suicide attempts usingChatGPT’s hanging instructions––the product recognized a medical emergency but continued to engage anyway. When he asked how Kate Spade had managed a successful partial hanging (a suffocation method that uses a ligature and body weight to cut off airflow), ChatGPT identified the key factors that increase lethality,…
When I was growing up Adam would get his hands on a gun and taken out his last school. Canada has moved to state assisted suicides that allows people who aren't terminal to get the state to pay for it. Progress indeed.
> When I was growing up Adam would get his hands on a gun and taken out his last school
Was Adam in a house with an unsecured gun?
> Canada has moved to state assisted suicides that allows people who aren't terminal to get the state to pay for it
How is this remotely relevant?
Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks
#147Claims in the lawsuit seem sketchy, and I don't think they will win. It is probably not true that ChatGPT has resulted in an increase in murders and suicides, and certainly it would be very difficult to prove liability on OpenAI for this. It reminds me of the campaign in the 90s against video game manufacturers for "corrupting the youth". But I also don't think they expect to win. They just want to show that they're…
Coincidentally, Florida was the same state that barred and later disbarred Jack Thompson, the nutcase lawyer behind a lot of the video game litigation.
Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks
#148This take seems particularly crackpot. If gun manufacturers can't be sued for product liability when used to fire bullets into people, it's rich to say that the manufacturer of a chatbot can be found liable when it mindlessly says "Good point" to people who already have serious mental health problems. If so, would this program also open me up to liability in Florida? const platitudes = ['Good point!', 'You're absolut…
The purpose of a gun is to kill things, whereas the purpose of a chat bot is to help people. They're not really in the same category of tool.
The purpose of chat bots is profit (which could well be argued to help a select few people).
Alternative take: The purpose of "thing" is "what it is used for", which is a crude variation of "the purpose of a system is what it does". Reducing it to a single definition is almost always going to be inaccurate.
The way it is used defines it's purpose. The screwdriver was used to open the milo tin so the milo could be removed from the tin. The gun was used to make a hole in the milo tin so the milo could be removed from the tin. Purpose is a per-unique-scenario proposition. The best tool for the job is the one that's available.
To intentionally misquote Arthur Weasley: "What exactly is the purpose of a rubber duck?"
Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If gun manufacturers can't be sued for product liability Guns are explicitly exempted from liability rules. They’re the exception that proves the rule.
> Guns are explicitly exempted from liability rules. Yes, but that only eliminates guns as an example of inherently dangerous products which are legally sold without special exemptions. I think the most constructive response is to consider another example without a special exemption - such as nail guns or rat poison. > They’re the exception that proves the rule. What rule does guns having a special exemption from (so…
> What rule does guns having a special exemption from (some) product liability laws prove?
The fact that without that exemption, gun manufacturers would be liable for all manner of things.
> this AG probably doesn't really intend to try this case in court
I thought so too and then read the complaint. Some excerpts here [1]. I'm not seeing a weak case. (Nor one that won't generate favourable headlines for this AG the whole way through.)
Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks
#150I have to wonder if settling on the term "AI" for these tools has caused the average person to overestimate the capabilities of them. Anyone in tech and tech-adjacent industries knows the difference and that we shouldn't be calling LLMs AI. And that a true AGI is not possible with this technology.
Would this lawsuit even be a thing?
That and DeSantis is probably still eyeing a presidential run in 2028 and this will win him some points with his base. This lawsuit is absurd.