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I like that these AI idioms exist. They're like watermarks for text. It's worth the cost of humans avoiding them. Companies will eventually train their models to be undetectable, but society would be better if they didn't.
Telling humans to change how they write just so they won’t be accused of using AI is the most anti-human pro-AI idea imaginable.
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An em dash looks like this — You're not using that, neither in the past from what I can tell, nor in this comment. You're just using a hyphen/minus instead of a colon, that's not an llm-ism
Actually, in an ancient and venerable markup language that's still in wide use in certain not-unimportant communities: - = hyphen -- = n-dash --- = m-dash
I like that these AI idioms exist. They're like watermarks for text. It's worth the cost of humans avoiding them. Companies will eventually train their models to be undetectable, but society would be better if they didn't.
Telling humans to change how they write just so they won’t be accused of using AI is the most anti-human pro-AI idea imaginable.
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What's worse is neurodivergent writing, including my own, often resemble AI output. Now it feels like I'm having to alter my own voice in online discussions just to specifically avoid being accused of pasting an AI response. The "AI Detection" tools employed by schools also regularly flag writing from those with Autism, ADHD, and non-native English speakers as being AI generated as well. So, naturally, I can't stand…
It flags "non-native speakers" text as AI generated? Really? This beggars belief.
> While the detectors were “near-perfect” in evaluating essays written by U.S.-born eighth-graders, they classified more than half of TOEFL essays (61.22%) written by non-native English students as AI-generated (TOEFL is an acronym for the Test of English as a Foreign Language).
> It gets worse. According to the study, all seven AI detectors unanimously identified 18 of the 91 TOEFL student essays (19%) as AI-generated and a remarkable 89 of the 91 TOEFL essays (97%) were flagged by at least one of the detectors.
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What do you think about TFA and its contention that perfectly normal language is being targeted by the AI witch-hunt? I personally avoid the em dash, but it has been used in writing for a long, long time.
> perfectly normal language Define "normal language?"
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What do you think about TFA and its contention that perfectly normal language is being targeted by the AI witch-hunt? I personally avoid the em dash, but it has been used in writing for a long, long time.
Frankly, when humans produce empty reasoning like sentences with little reason behind them, we should be allowed to call it a slop too.
"So, if we publicly shame people whose text looks like it might have been written by a machine – because it mimics the language used for human reasoning – and people stop writing in ways that they internalize as "AI writing" out of fear of false detection, it sends a signal that your language for reasoning must be policed, or you too could be held up to public scrutiny." This is honestly both terrifying and well arti…
This is honestly a very, very naive statement. We are social animals and we naturally gravitate towards devaluing and shaming certain styles of speech. We police speech already! It’s often unfortunate, but it’s not devoid of function. I, for one, am happy with shaming LLM speech. It’s never been so easy to detect lazy thinking.
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I prefer the double dash "--", but Microsoft products will convert this to a proper em-dash if you press space afterwards, I think...
Double should map to endash, tripple for em.
"So, if we publicly shame people whose text looks like it might have been written by a machine – because it mimics the language used for human reasoning – and people stop writing in ways that they internalize as "AI writing" out of fear of false detection, it sends a signal that your language for reasoning must be policed, or you too could be held up to public scrutiny." This is honestly both terrifying and well arti…
no its not terrifying. its just raising the level of writing, if you are using not x but y then you fucking better justify the need to use a negation
If other approaches didn’t improve people’s writing you think LLM-shaming… will?
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> It's worth the cost of humans avoiding them. No, fuck that. I'm not going to think twice about what I write just to avoid an AI checker, and I will delve into em dashes with gusto if that's what the writing calls for. I'm not sacrificing the language simply to sound less like AI--that's absolutely a losing game. And if anyone thinks my hand-crafted prose is AI-generated, they're free to look elsewhere. Right now AI…
> I'm not going to think twice about what I write just to avoid an AI checker It depends on your environment, I guess. If you're a student writing an essay or a researcher writing a paper, it's in your best interest to avoid sounding like an LLM, which means going out of your way to avoid certain idioms, even if it means letting go of things you liked to write. I used to love a spaced en dash (the British English equ…