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Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by bakugo »

brabel wrote: post #127
Hendrikto wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did he ask for help in churning all the code for no reason? Rsync was complete software. It does not need features, it needs stability and merely maintenance. If the author used AI for small, well-reviewed maintenance changes, that would be okay. But instead he is making large and sweeping changes that are entirely uncalled for and cause breakage. If the maintainer is overworked, that is even more reason not to do th…

What the hell why are you thinking you decide anything?? The man has his project and can do whatever he wants with it. Read the license.

Yes, he is free to do whatever he wants with it. And others are also free to say that what he's doing is bad and is causing them problems when trying to use this well established software that is known for being stable and reliable.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by latexr »

KolmogorovComp wrote: post #130

Seem to me some people have forgotten about FOSS projects > 15. Disclaimer of Warranty. > THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW. EXCEPT WHEN OTHERWISE STATED IN WRITING THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND/OR OTHER PARTIES PROVIDE THE PROGRAM "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FI…

“No warranty” isn’t the same as “no complaints”. Otherwise there wouldn’t be an issue tracker and a discussions section.

The issue in question has already gone to crap and your point has been made there as well. It could definitely have been handled better, by all parties involved, but blindly quoting legalese isn’t going to resolve anything or make it better.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by relistan »

cyclopeanutopia wrote: post #114
relistan wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep a bunch of people who often exhibit swarm behavior.

By this logic, will you just start calling yourself "hypocritical Karl", as you clearly belong here? ;)

Are you in middle school?

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by lukaslalinsky »

koehler wrote: post #36

I truly don't get it You have a rock solid piece of software used by an infinite amount of people and other services. It works fine, does it's job and just have some time to time updates due to minor bug fixes. Why do we need AI here? And more over, why people is saying "fork it and use the previous version". It should be actually all the way around, create a parallel fork younamethetool-ai and keep the OG untouched.…

That's up to the maintainer to decide, no? If they decide to use AI to write more tests, then they do it. It's not like they owe the public something. If the "public" wants to take the project over and maintain it, they can fork it, but it's a thankless job.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by throwaway7356 »

xiphias2 wrote: post #24
roenxi wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you basing this opinion on the issue or actual evidence? Because this github link, although interesting, is almost completely context free on what the drama is beyond "Claude". The rsync maintainers could be anywhere on the spectrum from the perfect and responsible maintainer to incompetent children and we couldn't really tell.

The problem is the we couldn’t really tell part. Changes made to mature finished projects should be minimal and readable and understandable by humans. Also rsync is handling copying binary data, it’s a project that’s super sensitive to hardware faults for example, which means it’s not just enough for the tests to pass.

> finished projects

rsync is not a finished project: it has hundreds of open issues (bugs, feature requests, ...).

"Finished projects" are a mythical thing that rarely exists in reality and even less in actually used software like rsync or the Linux kernel.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by [deleted] »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #133
koehler wrote: post #36

I truly don't get it You have a rock solid piece of software used by an infinite amount of people and other services. It works fine, does it's job and just have some time to time updates due to minor bug fixes. Why do we need AI here? And more over, why people is saying "fork it and use the previous version". It should be actually all the way around, create a parallel fork younamethetool-ai and keep the OG untouched.…

> Why do we need AI here? AI psychosis is a real thing and an actual mental health issue.

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Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by TheDong »

Hendrikto wrote: post #55
vsgherzi wrote: post #31

I also hate the ai slop but on the flip slide this maintainer has been asking for help for years and dosent receive much in the discord. I also want quality code but don’t jump to demonize a volunteer especially when not many have jumped in to help

Did he ask for help in churning all the code for no reason? Rsync was complete software. It does not need features, it needs stability and merely maintenance. If the author used AI for small, well-reviewed maintenance changes, that would be okay. But instead he is making large and sweeping changes that are entirely uncalled for and cause breakage. If the maintainer is overworked, that is even more reason not to do th…

Do you have any links to commits or changes that you think are "uncalled for"? Like, you say "he is making large and sweeping changes that are entirely uncalled for and cause breakage", so surely you have some examples?

As far as I can tell, most of the AI-assisted changes were security fixes and test-suite related, and I'm sure you can agree that both of those are normal maintenance.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by antirez »

cafebabbe wrote: post #140
antirez wrote: post #120

A few years ago, the probability of such shit reaching the Hacker News home page was near zero, because regardless of the merits, here was not full of normies that could not understand when a behavior is unacceptable (I'm referring to the violence of the language of the issue). And now, here we are, surrounded by people that can't tell the most obvious things.

Love that your comment is ambiguous enough to apply to both sides here :)

Nope my comment is against the folks that are criticizing rsync author. Editing the comment to make it more clear, thanks.

Re: Please Do Not Vibe Fuck Up This Software

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Post by throwaway7356 »

consp wrote: post #125
thevinter wrote: post #116

This whole brigading is bizzarre and some people are behaving like irrational animals. I potentially understand the motivations that might bring one to want to "win" this battle but this really isn't it - it just makes you sound like a fanatic. It takes 5 minutes to search for "regression" on the issue page and go through the 17 results. There are potentially even more on the tracker used prior to github. I think thi…

> I think this behavior is very silly and people are just trying to justify their hate to AI by latching onto every possible thing It's not silly to have issues with something. People act on their issues. Possibly not the issue underlying the commit at hand here but something else, and act on it which makes it something to consider. My guess is people are tired of the "AI is the greatest thing since [cultural referen…

> and grasp at every straw to combat it, which is a sane response

Attacking every open source maintainer who might use AI for the sin of having used AI because one hates AI is just abusive behavior, not "sane response".

What would the "sane response" be for people tired of the "AI is being forced down my throat and I need to combat it by attacking open source maintainers" side? Grasp at every straw to combat such behavior?

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