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What Is a Dickover?

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Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by rvz »

defrost wrote: post #80
rvz wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with that is it cannot be used towards people outside of this tech bubble and would just confuse them. It would even fail many profanity filters in chats and forums. > The derogatory term is for practices that rightfully deserve contempt. But it doesn't mean that you should expect the layman to use it in common parlance. Either "Unwanted popup / popover" and even "popup" / "popover" is a far sensible desc…

> The problem with that is it cannot be used towards people outside of this tech bubble and would just confuse them. Doubtful ... where did that odd notion spring from? > It would even fail many profanity filters in chats and forums. Perhaps in LDS or uber Christian pearl clutching circles, it's absolutely milquetoast in UK / AU Commonwealth English cultures. eg: UK public broadcast TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

> Doubtful ... where did that odd notion spring from?

Searching "Dickover" all over the internet and other than Mastodon (which is heavily used by techies), and the author's blog, it is only being mentioned by techies here.

So of course, you can't ever admit you are in a tech bubble.

> Perhaps in LDS or uber Christian pearl clutching circles, it's absolutely milquetoast in UK / AU Commonwealth English cultures.

Nope. Any platform that has basic censorship tools in chats. Just search "Twitch, YouTube" profanity filter(s).

Even basic filters flags it as profanity here: [0] [1].

> I'm pretty sure that horse bolted long ago.

I'm pretty sure you clearly do not know that.

[0] https://app.readable.com/text/profanity/

[1] https://sapling.ai/utilities/profanity

Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by clear-octopus »

Freak_NL wrote: post #131
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #101

I endorse this name because, once it's the standard name for this technique, people will have to use it in meetings when seriously proposing them, which makes it harder to seriously propose. "And this is our design for the Dickover." "Guys, I'm not sure we should Dickover the customers." "You know, when you say it that way...." Epilogue: six months later, the site is dead because they converted nobody to their newsle…

Who are those people? Those perpetually amused folk who feel not a bit of rage when a dickover is slapped in their face, and for whom entering their e-mail address in the dickover is actually a thing they would seriously consider?

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Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by mikepurvis »

adrian_b wrote: post #136

For me the fact that dickovers are possible is a bug in all JavaScript interpreters. In my opinion, any decent browser should make impossible both dickovers and also other related hostile actions, like the possibility for a Web page to modify the right-click menu or to prevent text selection. Unfortunately completely disabling scripts is rarely a solution, because many sites do not work at all. But the kind of action…

Genuine question, what is it that the JS implementation or DOM or anything the in the browser can do to permit desired modal popover content like dropdown menus and tooltips and floating nav bars while somehow preventing dickovers?

Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by nedt »

edmn wrote: post #120
hootz wrote: post #4

DO YOU CONSENT WITH OUR TRACKING COOKIES POLICY? [YES, I DO, THE IMPORTANT TRACKING ONES] [YES, I DO, ALL OF THEM] ⁿᵒ ᵃⁿᵈ ᶜˡᵒˢᵉ ᵈᶦᶜᵏᵒᵛᵉʳ

I’ve observed a few sites that now display two options, ‘Yes’ and ‘Reject and pay’

NOYB is working on it. I think for derstandard.at it was already declared illegally with the prices they have, but it’s still ongoing.

I like to call that a mafia tactic as the framing is normally „it would be a shame if we have to sell your personal data“.

Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #123
michaelt wrote: post #19

I have a theory that about 97% of developers and managers completed the cookie consent (or whatever) on their own product 5 years ago and hence never see it again, and they have no idea how bad the experience for new customers actually is. So the developers and bosses all think they're doing a great job and they've got a carefully curated homepage, even though the regular users get a cloudflare captcha, then a cookie…

> and hence never see it again This sounds like it would be a better implementation than 99.9% of the dickovers I encounter. Almost always, I dismiss them, then see them again in future. Sometimes with what feels like every site visit.

You see them again in the future because you dismissed them, if you do what they want you to do they will never bother you again in case you changed your mind.

Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by OrangeMusic »

This is an excellent bookmarklet to have:

``` javascript:(function()%7B let i%2C elements %3D document.querySelectorAll('body *')%3B for (i %3D 0%3B i Sometimes, this one is needed to fix scrolling after using the previous one:

``` javascript:var r="html,body{overflow:auto !important;}"; var s=document.createElement("style"); s.type="text/css"; s.appendChild(document.createTextNode(r)); document.body.appendChild(s); void 0; ```

Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by adrian_b »

mikepurvis wrote: post #143
adrian_b wrote: post #136

For me the fact that dickovers are possible is a bug in all JavaScript interpreters. In my opinion, any decent browser should make impossible both dickovers and also other related hostile actions, like the possibility for a Web page to modify the right-click menu or to prevent text selection. Unfortunately completely disabling scripts is rarely a solution, because many sites do not work at all. But the kind of action…

Genuine question, what is it that the JS implementation or DOM or anything the in the browser can do to permit desired modal popover content like dropdown menus and tooltips and floating nav bars while somehow preventing dickovers?

Like I have said, in a browser there should not exist truly modal windows.

The cases when modal windows are used abusively are far more numerous than the cases when they are useful.

Perhaps there should be a way to warn the user when moving the focus from a window that is supposed to be modal, but if the user insists it should be possible to disregard that a window is intended to be modal.

Also, it should be possible for the user to move any window as desired. It should not have been possible for windows to move on their own and to prevent the user from moving them. A script should also not be able to move the mouse cursor or any other kind of cursor.

A browser must always treat a script as potentially hostile, so all these facilities that can be used by a script to mess with the browser GUI should never have existed.

Re: What Is a Dickover?

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Post by kleiba2 »

> asking the user to accept “cookies” [...] or anything else that the user couldn’t give two shits about.

Oh, I absolutely care about cookies and whenever I have the option I do not allow the website to place them. That said, I would much prefer an architecture where I express that once in a browser setting and the browser relays that information on to any website somewhere in the background.

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