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The first step would be indeed to join forces with UK, in order to don't be two entities, which is very unnatural to me.
No, we don’t need US’s Trojan horse in the EU
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> What is "weird training biases" to us might not be weird to them and vice versa. I agree. That's why I think European companies might prefer a European model.
Except there's no such thing as the "European model" similar how Europe is not a country. Mistral is mostly French and tends to have mostly French speaking customers, like BNP PAribas in Belgium. Germany will want its own domestic AI champions, maybe in partnership with Switzerland and Austria, similar to how Denmark already has invested in LLMs focused on the Nordic languages with money from Norway. The biggest mist…
German and French speaking together at last.
I just got an email from them saying that they’re retiring some (most?) of the dedicated models like devstral gradually through August and one should now use the general model. Cost grows exponentially Devstral 2 (devstral-2512 and devstral-latest) → We recommend transitioning to Mistral Medium 3.5 (mistral-medium-3-5 with reasoning_effort set to "high"), a stronger model, priced $1.5/$7.5 per million input/output to…
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I tried it out on some dev tasks with their Mistral Vibe subscription, and the performance was pretty okay (okay, not great), both in regards to development and speed. Worse than Anthropic's models I'm used to but at 20 EUR per month it wasn't a bad deal - except that the 200k context size would more or less be a deal breaker in many cases.
Where do you sign up for that subscription? I wanted to try out Mistral, but I fail to find anything like that even after creating an account
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Don’t they supposedly have a huge amount of EU support? Or at least there’s been a lot of noise about that.
They can get what, 1B euros? 10B when everyone loses their mind? This doesn’t buy nearly enough compute nowadays. Meanwhile, Anthropic and OpenAI have investors practically begging them to let them buy this much equity at mind-bogging valuations.
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You say that as if the American version of maximalist Capitalism is good or desirable to most people. Personally, I would much rather have good public pensions and health-care, than A.I agents.
This has nothing to do with it. The US also has public pensions (social security payouts rival or beat many EU countries) with dramatically better tax free private options on top. Also, the US has free healthcare (Medicare and Medicaid) for roughly 50% of its population. Expanding that to 100% doesn’t suddenly make them a bad country to do business in. You think OpenAI is going to close up shop and move to Mexico if…
OK, I'm 100% rooting for both Mistral and task focused small models. But Mistral has fall really far behind since 2025Q3. It seems they can't get good reasoning models working at even medium context sizes, which is necessary to be at the table right now. Gemma4 and Qwen3.6 are currently best in the small size; Mistral's "small" model has ~4x the parameter count at 120B and isn't even competing with models a quarter i…
I agree. I am a paying Le Chat Pro user, really rooting for a European alternative. But the quality difference between Mistral and the frontier labs is growing too big to ignore. It’s worrying to me that they didn’t talk much about new models at the conference, because that is really where their focus should be IMHO. I am wondering what is keeping them back, though: Money? Compute? Skills? Training data? My fear is t…
Considering all their talk about new DCs and compute, and a few offhand comments, it sounded to me that compute is a big limitation.
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This has nothing to do with it. The US also has public pensions (social security payouts rival or beat many EU countries) with dramatically better tax free private options on top. Also, the US has free healthcare (Medicare and Medicaid) for roughly 50% of its population. Expanding that to 100% doesn’t suddenly make them a bad country to do business in. You think OpenAI is going to close up shop and move to Mexico if…
Social Security and Medicare are vastly inferior to their European counterparts. Medicaid is an absolute disaster and a large number of doctors and health facilities will not even accept it.
Explain to me how expanding US single payer healthcare suddenly makes the US a worse place to do business in than Europe?
Companies would love not having to deal with the complexities of 401ks and employer health plans.
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Because they distill
it doesn't matter the reason. This is a race and nobody will care or remember how the winners got there. Mistral looks like it's fading away to irrelevance unless they can play alongside the similar sized models, or have some unique advantage other than being in Europe, for Europe. I was really excited for them back when they were startup that had the biggest European venture round ever. This space will have a few wi…
For consumer AI, yes. For coding assistants, probably.
For specific application "business" AI like the things Airbus announced the other day? Not at all. What matters for an Airbus using Mistral to build compliance documentation based on AI generated physics simulations is the enterprise relationship, reliability, compliance, forward deployed engineers helping with the fine tuning, quality, predictability, support. A Chinese lab having a better at benchmarks model that is cheaper is just irrelevant for that.
And IMO, the real money in AI is this type of "business AI" deployment. Developer tooling tends to converge on becoming commoditised. Once you're a core supplier for a big bank and embedded in their processes, you're there untill you screw up with the pricing (like Broadcom), and even then.