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Re: Valve raises Steam Deck prices

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Post by ericd »

kotaKat wrote: post #99
mrhottakes wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people I know don't use chatbots and don't find them helpful.

And can 'most people' even afford most of these services? Having seen some people's spend, even a $200/month plan has me questioning why I'd spend $200/month on Anthropic products when $200/month would be a substantial chunk of my housing as a blue-collar class IT worker just to survive.

You don't need a $200/mo plan, that's for people chewing through Opus tokens with multiple instances of Claude Code going in parallel. My impression is that most people just use the free ChatGPT tier, or $20/mo at most.

Re: Valve raises Steam Deck prices

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Post by thesuitonym »

kevinqi wrote: post #132
jdprgm wrote: post #90

I just checked amazon and I paid $350 in Nov 24' for 96GB (2x48GB) 6800MT DDR5 which at the time felt quite expensive and a bit of a splurge but I figured I had my DDR4 kit for almost a decade so probably similar lifespan for DDR5. That same listing is currently $1300!!! When RAM prices are increasing like a crypto currency we have a real societal problem.

don't think it's a societal problem; it's just a direct result of capitalism. and while capitalism causes all sorts of huge problems, it might also be the best of the options we've got

> don't think it's a societal problem; it's just the direct result of our society's economic model.

Re: Valve raises Steam Deck prices

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Post by charcircuit »

pesus wrote: post #18
fzeroracer wrote: post #2

I don't think it's much of a wonder why people are turning to 'anti-tech extremism' as everything around them suddenly is no longer consumer priced. Seeing computing rise anywhere from 1.5x to 2x in pricing while the job market is fucked is enough to make me extremely bitter.

Exactly. Not only have the prices gone up, they've gone up for no real reason other than some CEOs are attempting to take over society. The average person isn't even seeing much of the upside of modern technology anymore, just the downsides. Gadgets no longer get cheaper over time, experiences no longer improve over time, and every new startup or innovation seems to be used to make their lives worse, whether directly…

>The average person does not really benefit from recent AI tech

ChatGPT and Gemini offer enormous consumer value for free.

Re: Valve raises Steam Deck prices

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Post by bigfishrunning »

goldenarm wrote: post #140
protoster wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feels like a sign of something very bad happening soon

What kind of thing ? Shortages ?

We're already in a shortage (of RAM). Price increases should be a motivator to increase production. This is the system working.

Re: Valve raises Steam Deck prices

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Post by ericd »

wao0uuno wrote: post #136
ericd wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The average person does not really benefit from recent AI tech Really? Most people I know seem to have found the chatbots tremendously helpful. It's much faster than researching via a bunch of google searches.

>It's much faster than researching via a bunch of google searches. Ah yes that's certainly worth more than a steady job market, low inflation and affordable goods. Get real.

I think I'm already real? The main reasons for inflation, outside of computer components, are related to the fact that we're near the end of a long-term debt cycle. Look at demographics and monetary/fiscal policy. This is just the scapegoat du jour for long-term structural issues.

Stability in the job market seems to mean stagnation in the long term. That's fine in the short run, but eventually, you're Germany/France and major pillars of your economy are cornered and in trouble. Personally, I think the move is total at-will employment paired with UBI rather than the heavy-handed employer regs that those countries have for stability, and I think that's where we're going to have to go if job losses really start materializing.

Re: Valve raises Steam Deck prices

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Post by xtracto »

geodel wrote: post #138
jdprgm wrote: post #90

I just checked amazon and I paid $350 in Nov 24' for 96GB (2x48GB) 6800MT DDR5 which at the time felt quite expensive and a bit of a splurge but I figured I had my DDR4 kit for almost a decade so probably similar lifespan for DDR5. That same listing is currently $1300!!! When RAM prices are increasing like a crypto currency we have a real societal problem.

I don't want to live in a society where RAM inflation is higher and food inflation. Future generations will ask me where were you when Computer prices were rising, internet bandwidth was rationed and people had to wait overnight to continue vibe coding because vendors blocked further API calls for many hours at a time.

> people had to wait overnight to continue vibe coding because vendors blocked further API calls for many hours at a time

Tangential but this is funny. Back in the early 90s, I did a lot of BASIC programming in the family computer, this was before we had Internet. I could spend hours.and hours in front of the computer doing stuff.

Fast forward to around 2010 I remember a distinct feeling one time the internet went off at home. Sitting in front of the computer and feeling that it was "useless" because it wasn't connected to the net.

We are getting to that point in coding apparently: 5-10 years ago, everyone programmed just by typing commands, looking at S.O. and thinking. Now, if we open our "IDE" and it doesn't have access to The Brain, we are left just standing there looking in awe at the machine.

Sign of the times...

Re: Valve raises Steam Deck prices

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Post by atmavatar »

hackerfoo wrote: post #123

I was a RAM hoarder before this all started. I eagerly await a great flood of RAM when it’s all over.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

This is more than simply having demand high enough that RAM flies off shelves faster than it can be produced, where a future lull in demand and/or increase in production resolves or even over-corrects for the problem. The AI craze has caused several companies (most notably Crucial) to abandon consumer RAM entirely. At minimum, I think we can expect it to take several years before RAM prices fall back out of the clouds, let alone come anywhere close to what they were before.

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