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Re: Xiaomi MiMo-v2.5 Series API Permanent Price Reduction Up to 99%

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Post by ericmay »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #136
ericmay wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocks Chinese users or blocks VPNs? Are they the only one?

https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/supported-countries You can check for yourself here to see that China and Hong Kong are conveniently missing. We do see blocking from Anthropic and Gemini as well in some regions Also even though Vietnam and the Philippines are technically supported we do see blocking from some IP addresses in those regions too

I see - I was just curious. Does China permit citizens from accessing American AI models if they were permitted by the American companies?

Re: Xiaomi MiMo-v2.5 Series API Permanent Price Reduction Up to 99%

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

ericmay wrote: post #141
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/supported-countries You can check for yourself here to see that China and Hong Kong are conveniently missing. We do see blocking from Anthropic and Gemini as well in some regions Also even though Vietnam and the Philippines are technically supported we do see blocking from some IP addresses in those regions too

I see - I was just curious. Does China permit citizens from accessing American AI models if they were permitted by the American companies?

Well I can tell you lots of them access them no matter what, our service provides a proxy for them if a request gets blocked and lots of AI providers do the same since they access the APIs through a central server without passing along the actual users IP address

Re: Xiaomi MiMo-v2.5 Series API Permanent Price Reduction Up to 99%

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Post by dgacmu »

Haven880 wrote: post #124
elboru wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

USA is as censored as what we believe about China. You will get cancelled by Americans if you use "communist" stuff. That is why hardly any Chinese EVs in USA. Because it is communists stuff. The odd thing is iphone is made in China. So it is more of selective enforcement when convenience. Chinese AI even self host means your will influence by communism. You want McCarthy era back again?

Chinese EV policy in the US is about propping up our auto industry despite its best efforts to lose the EV battle. This has nothing to do with "communism", it's a purely economic thing that ties into internal US voting blocs.

Re: Xiaomi MiMo-v2.5 Series API Permanent Price Reduction Up to 99%

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Post by 827a »

gitah wrote: post #118
827a wrote: post #91

Hot take: The reason this is happening is because the market for Chinese AI models hosted by Chinese companies is struggling. Even the market for Chinese AI models hosted by western companies is soft: During the week of May 18, OpenRouter processed 3.4T DeepSeek v3 Flash tokens (their most popular model). Google has announced that Gemini is processing 746T per week; Claude is probably processing more. And the Chinese…

If you're going to compare OpenRouter numbers for DeepSeek at least use the same metric to compare Gemini. During last week DeepSeek V4 Flash did 3.72T tokens which is way higher than combined token counts for Gemini (2.5 Flash + 3.5 Flash + 3.1 Pro) DeepSeek's official API, which has 10x cheaper cached input cost isn't even on OpenRouter as a provider, so just like Google, most volume is not going through OpenRouter…

The issue you're not seeing is: Western corporations, the primary drivers of AI spend globally, are not forming business relationships with nationalized Chinese AI labs in order to directly use the DeepSeek API. They're using it through western proxies like OpenRouter, if they're doing it all (newsflash: they aren't). They are forming business relationships with Anthropic, Google, and OpenAI to directly use their APIs.

Re: Xiaomi MiMo-v2.5 Series API Permanent Price Reduction Up to 99%

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Post by 827a »

chillfox wrote: post #119
827a wrote: post #91

Hot take: The reason this is happening is because the market for Chinese AI models hosted by Chinese companies is struggling. Even the market for Chinese AI models hosted by western companies is soft: During the week of May 18, OpenRouter processed 3.4T DeepSeek v3 Flash tokens (their most popular model). Google has announced that Gemini is processing 746T per week; Claude is probably processing more. And the Chinese…

That makes some sense. I mean, I am going to use the best I can afford. And at work that's Opus, but while work is happy to let me spend $50+/day, that's just not viable for personal hobby use, I need to keep that in the realm of a WOW/mmo subscription.

Yup; its not just that people want the best models, so they use Opus or GPT-5.5. Its also that we're talking about nationalized chinese companies. Western corporations are not en masse forming business relationships with Chinese firms and subjecting their proprietary code to whatever harness they cook up just to save a million dollars. Its not happening. And that's why the Chinese labs are failing; they're struggling to build a domestic market for token consumption. The Chinese domestic market sucks for almost everything China builds, they need export partners like the US to keep most of their factories on, but in the case of AI: no one overseas is buying.

Re: Xiaomi MiMo-v2.5 Series API Permanent Price Reduction Up to 99%

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Post by ericmay »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #142
ericmay wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see - I was just curious. Does China permit citizens from accessing American AI models if they were permitted by the American companies?

Well I can tell you lots of them access them no matter what, our service provides a proxy for them if a request gets blocked and lots of AI providers do the same since they access the APIs through a central server without passing along the actual users IP address

Understood, I was just curious if the CCP blocks Chinese citizens even if they were permitted by the US. It looks quite a bit like the general economic policy of China - block foreign companies and artificially drive pricing down for your products globally. I have yet to see evidence to the contrary but was just wondering

Re: Xiaomi MiMo-v2.5 Series API Permanent Price Reduction Up to 99%

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Post by sidrag22 »

eldho123 wrote: post #130

The industry seems to be moving from "best model wins" toward "good enough model at lowest cost wins."

just wondering when the overwhelming consensus among devs is just gonna be that companies should go horizontal instead of vertical. I feel 5.5 is 100% good enough for literally anything i could point it at, and its shortcomings are largely gonna be paired to not grasping wider context it can't really load into a context window to correct (not understanding when a user is gonna miss something that might be implied knowledge at that stage or similar issues).

So, at this stage of time I'm not even totally looking at lesser models to save costs or usage, im using lesser models because they fit the task more than fine and will nail it. Instead though, 6 months from now the model landscape will be totally different, costs will not have gotten better(for US companies), because their priorities are almost entirely on chasing capability of models.

So i hope you're right and the overall market is moving the direction you mention, but I think the US will continue this absurd race to... just being #1 regardless of how much it stops making sense.

Re: Xiaomi MiMo-v2.5 Series API Permanent Price Reduction Up to 99%

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Post by Alifatisk »

Now, their subscription (especially Lite plan) look very entriguing. $6 for 4.1 billion credits per month. For Mimo 2.5 Pro, 1 token = 2 credits, for Mimo 2.5, 1 token = 1 credit. Still, that's a good deal. Reminds me a lot of Z.ai Christmas deal with their Lite plan.

Re: Xiaomi MiMo-v2.5 Series API Permanent Price Reduction Up to 99%

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Post by gmerc »

827a wrote: post #144
gitah wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're going to compare OpenRouter numbers for DeepSeek at least use the same metric to compare Gemini. During last week DeepSeek V4 Flash did 3.72T tokens which is way higher than combined token counts for Gemini (2.5 Flash + 3.5 Flash + 3.1 Pro) DeepSeek's official API, which has 10x cheaper cached input cost isn't even on OpenRouter as a provider, so just like Google, most volume is not going through OpenRouter…

The issue you're not seeing is: Western corporations, the primary drivers of AI spend globally, are not forming business relationships with nationalized Chinese AI labs in order to directly use the DeepSeek API. They're using it through western proxies like OpenRouter, if they're doing it all (newsflash: they aren't). They are forming business relationships with Anthropic, Google, and OpenAI to directly use their API…

You can access Deepseek on Azure, Perplexity, Cohere, Bedrock what are you hallucinating about
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