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News about Raspberry Pi 6 and Microcontroller Development

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Re: News about Raspberry Pi 6 and Microcontroller Development

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Post by platevoltage »

canpan wrote: post #99
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #2

> " ...: It sounds like the key feature will be 'more': a faster CPU and faster IO, rather than new features. " Raspberry Pi Holdings is a embedded systems manufacturer for pity's sake; we don't need more from them, we need less. [EDIT] A faster Raspberry Pi 6 is encroaching on the territory of the Intel N150 and its successors and mainstream Linux distributions and that is a battle they would lose in terms of price…

I wonder how they are positioned now in the market. During covid I wanted a small low power always on server. I thought about Raspi, but at the time it was expensive and I went with an intel nuc, for a similar price. Now if I wanted to do hobby electronics, I heard I should look into esp32 or stm32..

The things that keeps stopping me from using one for my server is the IO. the PCIe lane on the Pi 5 was a great addition, but it isn't quite sufficient.

Re: News about Raspberry Pi 6 and Microcontroller Development

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Post by jan_Sate »

peteforde wrote: post #11

Pi's refusal to drop a USB-C on Pico due to cost increases is a terrible call IMO. I seriously cannot fathom being someone doing development who wouldn't pay $0.50 extra to purge the last micro USB from their desktop.

Unpopular opinion but I actually enjoy using USB Micro B more than USB-C. That's because USB-C is much more complicated and there're non-standard-compliant cables floating in the market. USB-C also has some fancy mode like voltage selection. If it got screwed up somehow leading it to supply the wrong voltage, it could fry your Pico board.

Re: News about Raspberry Pi 6 and Microcontroller Development

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Post by wmf »

platevoltage wrote: post #139
wmf wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ideally each RPi generation should keep the same price (or lower now that it's gotten so high) but with better performance. If they can't do that they just shouldn't create a new generation.

I don't think the Raspberry PI foundation has the buying power to control RAM prices.

The price was creeping up long before the DRAM shortage. They're totally doomed now.

Re: News about Raspberry Pi 6 and Microcontroller Development

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Post by glouwbug »

platevoltage wrote: post #143
glouwbug wrote: post #120

Looks like the RPI5 is like $200 in Canada now. We might have lost the plot

Yeah, we have. We decided the world's RAM production capability would be better suited for datacenters so we can cheat on our homework.

I always wanted to wrangle ~10 of these together and practice distributed computing for the price of ~$200. That was a 2014 dream. I guess instead someone else ran with all of Jensen's polygon drawers and Hynix's backlog. Que sera

Re: News about Raspberry Pi 6 and Microcontroller Development

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Post by vachina »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #2

> " ...: It sounds like the key feature will be 'more': a faster CPU and faster IO, rather than new features. " Raspberry Pi Holdings is a embedded systems manufacturer for pity's sake; we don't need more from them, we need less. [EDIT] A faster Raspberry Pi 6 is encroaching on the territory of the Intel N150 and its successors and mainstream Linux distributions and that is a battle they would lose in terms of price…

The entire raspi foundation is a marketing department. Raspi products is making zero sense ever since the Pi 2.

> encroaching on the territory of the Intel N150.

It’s nerdier to say you built your homelab on a Raspi, and that’s what keeps the foundation afloat.

Re: News about Raspberry Pi 6 and Microcontroller Development

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Post by Dylan16807 »

glouwbug wrote: post #146
platevoltage wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, we have. We decided the world's RAM production capability would be better suited for datacenters so we can cheat on our homework.

I always wanted to wrangle ~10 of these together and practice distributed computing for the price of ~$200. That was a 2014 dream. I guess instead someone else ran with all of Jensen's polygon drawers and Hynix's backlog. Que sera

Zero 2s can still hit that price, can't they? With much better CPUs than the 2014 dream.

And if you're not worried about CPU you can get a pile of Pi Picos or ESP32s.

Actually, considering that the original zero had a better CPU than 2014 Pis, I'm surprised you didn't get a 10 pack of those when they were extra cheap.

Re: News about Raspberry Pi 6 and Microcontroller Development

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Post by wrxd »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #60
dirtikiti wrote: post #17

I have bought an rpi at every generation. And I still have yet to find an actual use for them. Everything they do from a compute perspective is just better with a mini pc or old laptop with a mobile spec chip. Everything they do from a programmability perspective is just better with a microcontroller specific to the task. I just don't see the actual market position for these things. They were supposed to be a cheap b…

Here are a few places that I've found pi's: Rapid prototyping: I created a PoC to take a webcam snapshot every half hour and upload it to a server in an afternoon. Freelance project. Could it have been done with a microcontroller? Yes, but not in 4 hours. Local digital displays in a gym: we built a system with a number of overhead 60" TVs, each with a pi on a VESA mount to show scheduling and workout information in a…

How do you find these kind of jobs? That’s something I think I would enjoy to do but I’m not sure where I would start looking for customers. Is it world of mouth?

Re: News about Raspberry Pi 6 and Microcontroller Development

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Post by pta2002 »

NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #137
pta2002 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nowadays upstream Linux with UEFI mostly works, with their out of tree drivers. I’ve managed to make it work in NixOS with the stock kernel. Look at the open embedded L4T project, they have some recipes for building that. No need to use nvidia’s kernel anymore! Also, supposedly on the second half of 2026 they were going to be moving even more stuff out of their Jetson-specific drivers as they already do for their sli…

> with their out of tree drivers rephrase please?

They’ve got external kernel modules that they use for some hardware that is not supported upstream, namely the GPU, but also some things like Ethernet I think. Everything else is upstream though, so the situation is similar to a regular NVIDIA GPU.

Who would’ve thought that NVIDIA started upstreaming stuff once they realized how much money Linux is making them?

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