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Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by thunderbong »

dcastonguay wrote: post #77

This article was very eye-opening for me. I think I understand the author's pain and I could certainly feel it while reading the article. The fact that it was "the people" that made the difference kind of surprised me, and then I realized it was because I have seldom had the experiences he's had and that this might have a major impact on the way I (and others) view the technology. For me, building software has often…

Very well said. And I'm in the same camp. I've very rarely had someone with whom I could interact, bounce off ideas, brainstorm regarding the nitty gritty of code. Most of the time, I've had to dig through books, online articles and create my own mental framework of how things work.

And this has held me up in good stead.

Now with AI, I've found a tool from which I can learn, show me the right way to do things, and explain in detail what has been done. I can ask questions, point out mistakes, go back and forth on different implementations and at the end of it, come out a better programmer.

As many commentators have mentioned, AI means different things to different people. For me, it has been empowering, enlightening, and humbling.

There have always been so many things to learn, but never enough time. Now, it doesn't quite feel that way.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by anal_reactor »

quaintdev wrote: post #130
kibwen wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> take human intelligence to another pinnacle I see no indication that current human intelligence is at anything close to a historical pinnacle. Human knowledge, yes, but intelligence? No. Collectively, we're dumb and trending dumber, and the tendency towards lazy thoughtlessness which AI engenders will accelerate that trend.

Whenever this topic comes up I am reminded of the black and white picture of all the scientist of 19th century together. Each individual in that photo had contributed something to human knowledge. It feels like in 19th century we believed in our scientists and advancing our knowledge. I feel today celebrities are given more importance than our scientists. The best minds of our century are focused on extracting value…

The era of scientists being celebrities is done for the simple reason that it's not possible for a single human to advance our knowledge. Breakthrough papers are published by large groups who build on knowledge created by even larger groups.

Also, science used to directly correlate with improvements in life standards. Nowadays we see advancements in science (AI, psychology) used to actively reduce the standard of life.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by oytis »

dvt wrote: post #58

The funniest thing about this post is that Java Android programming circa 2014 is somehow romanticized as "real programming." 2014 Android code has got to be peak corpo-slop with the most inane abstractions, unintuitive paradigms, and copy-paste boilerplate syndrome. Ironically, exactly why we need AI these days, since like 90% of the code you wrote didn't technically do anything.

It's apparently very funny though, cause the author was laughing a lot. Systems and embedded programmers like myself are grumpy af with or without AI

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by gausswho »

moralestapia wrote: post #136

“So leave me behind.” That’s easy to say for someone in their 50s who built wealth under favorable conditions. But it’s quite ignorant and inhumane to say that to someone in their 20s who is just starting their career. Too bad to see these boomer antics continue to be perpetuated.

The second sentence of TFA: "I learned to build Android applications in 2014. I was in college taking a Java programming class".

So this person's twelve years out of college. You may want to train your fire elsewhere.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by innodendo »

My experience programming is so much different than theirs makes me wonder what I missed out on. I have always programmed on my own, and I can't even think about a single time I have talked to a person in depth about programming (both online and in person). It sounds fun and exciting, but unfortunately I have simply never had the opportunities in life to do so.

For me, AI is the first time I have ever been able to get something resembling an opinion on specific problems/situations that I encounter. I can ask it a very specific question about what the best approach is for what I am working on and it can give me an answer that I read over and consider before deciding on what approach to take. I still frequently get answers that are nonsense, but even then it helps me think deeper on how I should approach the problem because I can ask myself "Are the statements made by the AI true?".

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by riebschlager »

jcgrillo wrote: post #120
riebschlager wrote: post #75

I absolutely understand this sentiment. I've been working in tech since the late 90s and I have had MORE than my share of let-me-off-this-ride moments. But this post (and the many I see like it) feels like giving up. And now's not the time for empathetic people to give up. Technology is how we expand human capability. We are well within our rights to pick and choose how we interact with that capability. But it's star…

> it's starting to terrify me how it seems that the worst people in the world are more than willing to wield this power, while good people opt out Maybe it's just that the capability is bad . Adtech, for example, isn't something that anyone uses for good. They blow a lot of smoke about it--looking at you, Apple--but despite the "good-washing" it's all just the same extractive, invasive, dehumanizing business. Bad peo…

In my mind, I would separate technology from its application.

Advertising tech and AI coding tools are applications of technology stacks that could have been used to create what you and I might agree to be "better" tools. I don't need to tell you why ad tech got created instead of something that is a net societal benefit.

At the same time, I would say that, yes, those applications do indeed expand human capabilities. The important nuance here is whose capability, and to what end.

All I am saying is that opting out of this, in whatever form that takes, hands your agency over to those who would use it to enrich themselves at the cost of others. I sincerely feel that decades of this type of capitulation is exactly how we got to where we are today.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by bbor » 

  These LLMs are prediction machines. They are text generators that are ultimately a bunch of fancy statistics,
Always a shame to see good meaning, smart humans let their anxieties and fears drive them into empirical falsehoods.

Anyone still have some hope for humanity? Or yourselves as a person? Asking for a friend who thinks that the dark horizon has already swallowed all but our eyes, leaving us the brief observers of our oblivion

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by nzealand »

innodendo wrote: post #145

My experience programming is so much different than theirs makes me wonder what I missed out on. I have always programmed on my own, and I can't even think about a single time I have talked to a person in depth about programming (both online and in person). It sounds fun and exciting, but unfortunately I have simply never had the opportunities in life to do so. For me, AI is the first time I have ever been able to ge…

AI is your Google and your yellow rubber ducky (rubber duck debugging) all rolled into one.
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