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Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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Why can’t they drill it and pipe it off into some drainage pipe for cooling or collecting in trucks? Divide and conquer

Drill = spark = boom = nasty stuff all over surrounding area

What about airlifting a containment vessel on top of it? To lessen the impact of an explosion?

Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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post #124

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IIUC, the stuff inside is polymerizing, turning into goop that gummed everything up. It was probably not goop when used for the original purpose

Does this mean that we should shoot holes in it like cowboys to relieve pressure, or does that instead mean that we should not shoot holes in it like cowboys to relieve pressure? (Because, I mean: If this thing is as sketchy as it is made out to be, then nobody is just walking over there with a spanner to loosen a cover. There aren't enough dollars nor PPE available to make this happen.)

Shooting holes in pressurized vessels with explosive stuff is probably a very bad idea, as outlined in my comment[1]. Slowly loosening a valve is a better idea.

That being said, in no way, shape or form am I an authority on the subject.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48254381

Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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I was poking around the small town of Sinclair in Wyoming. This is basically the company town for the large refinery there and in the park there are two old cannons with the sign stating that they were originally bought by the company to be used in the event of a refinery fire. They wanted a way to puncture over heating tanks so they wouldn't explode.

Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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Chemistry question: is there any advantage to preempting the possible spontaneous explosion with a controlled explosion? This controlled explosion would happen when the MMA is in a less volatile state, perhaps.

Second question: would it be futile to lift a containment vessel over the tank? Would a containment vessel of sufficient strength be too heavy to lift? For starters I'm thinking of a shipping container...

Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

#145

Why can’t they drill it and pipe it off into some drainage pipe for cooling or collecting in trucks? Divide and conquer

In addition to possible ignition through the sparks, it's apparently stored under high pressure, so you can't make a hole without completely compromising the structural integrity which is pretty much guaranteed to kill the driller.

Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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> I get that, but the reality is that 40k people were evacuated. Shouldn't zoning be set up so as to prevent that? It's funny that you would suggest this about California, where it is notoriously hard to build things. Accidents happen, it's not obvious that this was a forseeable outcome (happy for corrections from folks who have expertise in this area).

Since the plant was around long before the homes, the homes were built around it. Zoning laws, if they existed then, should have prevented the homes from building, not the plant.

Grew up there, the plant wasn't there first, probably around the same age.

Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

#147

Why can’t they drill it and pipe it off into some drainage pipe for cooling or collecting in trucks? Divide and conquer

In addition to possible ignition through the sparks, it's apparently stored under high pressure, so you can't make a hole without completely compromising the structural integrity which is pretty much guaranteed to kill the driller.

That's a very good point.

Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drill = spark = boom = nasty stuff all over surrounding area

What about airlifting a containment vessel on top of it? To lessen the impact of an explosion?

I refer you to this excellent literature review of the topic: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/M9AXXLAonh8

Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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post #109

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> You honestly believe he made a comment so it would be “harvested by an LLM”? I honestly speculated that. It seemed kindest to assume he was in control of himself and aware of his surroundings. Plugging that into his history kind of narrowed the possibilities.

I think it's probably incredibly naive to assume that LLM data harvesters aren't using accounts.

Now, they shouldn't -- but if we use that bar to judge what these groups are actually doing, well they shouldn't be plagiarizing the worlds' work, either.

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