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Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Post by rrvsh »

zoogeny wrote: post #108
riffraff wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most people believe it unlikely that one million line of codes can be reviewed in one week, and the fact that tests pass does not imply good code. I have no idea whether the new or old code is/was good, just pointing out what seems like a plausible thought process for people who object to this rewrite.

I think it is interesting, using your framing, to consider why people may or may not believe that one million lines of code could be reviewed. I mean, until very recently, the idea that one million lines of code could be written (rather than mechanically translated) in a month was unbelievable. It is clearly the case that times have changed since the tools have been updated. So if we challenge one assumption, why not…

> I mean, until very recently, the idea that one million lines of code could be written (rather than mechanically translated) in a month was unbelievable.

It is still unbelievable, because it still has not happened in this case. The agent wrote it. Nobody thinks it's unbelievable that an LLM can generate a million lines of code in a month. You either do not understand what the detractors are saying or are arguing in bad faith

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Post by rrvsh »

sibeliuss wrote: post #128
nicoburns wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Claude Code as the most popular software project ever I don't think that's true? The likes of Chrome, Linux, curl, sqlite, etc, are much more widely used.

I'm not being literal. Revolutionary technology arrives on the scene, is extremely visible, changes a whole industry and frankly creates an entirely new economy. All eyes on Anthropic. They don't get enough credit for being right in the middle of a revolution, yet still managing to ship something that largely works incredibly well, because this thing is a workhorse.

They don't get enough credit? Anthropic is making an insane amount of money. More popular software projects have made exponentially less and have received even less media attention/fame/whatever metric you might use to define success.

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Post by atty »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #88
consumer451 wrote: post #2

I have to say, this whole saga is extremely interesting. Not just from a popcorn-enjoyer's point of view, but as a bit of a bell weather for 2026 software dev.

I wonder how many "behind the curve/not super modern" corporations were using Bun or Deno to begin with. Part of me thinks it's a mild overreaction. It's not like people audit every line of kernel/driver/BIOS/EFI code before running Linux? As long as the tests pass and the performance doesn't regress and it's secure... why are people so mad that it was vibe coded? Is it because it was an irresponsible thing to do? Ma…

> as long as the tests pass

To be pedantic, tests prove that the code passes the test suite, nothing else. They do not prove by themselves that the code is correct, secure, maintainable, efficient, etc. Those are much harder to measure and have a ton to do with organization, architecture, culture, shared knowledge of the maintainers, etc. All of which is lacking during and after this rewrite.

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

Cpoll wrote: post #63
consumer451 wrote: post #2

I have to say, this whole saga is extremely interesting. Not just from a popcorn-enjoyer's point of view, but as a bit of a bell weather for 2026 software dev.

Trivia: The term is "bellwether," i.e. a wether (castrated sheep) wearing a bell, used to guide the flock.

I have ADHD. I am super sensitive to noise. When other people let their phones ding incessantly, it drives me crazy.

I went hiking in Albania recently. I saw many sheep grazing in the mountains. I wondered about the sheep chosen to wear the bell. Like, was it the same sheep every day? Did the chosen sheep think, "Fuck me this thing is annoying"?

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Post by satvikpendem »

consumer451 wrote: post #69
Cpoll wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trivia: The term is "bellwether," i.e. a wether (castrated sheep) wearing a bell, used to guide the flock.

I kept checking the thread for responses and finally realized it, but too late to edit. I will probably wake up in a few days from a nightmare about this misspelling on HN. Happens all the time, no joke. I think that in my mind, it was always some sort of weather related bell, like you ring it, when the weather changes. Hopefully the sheep reference will help me remember.

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Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Post by classicposter »

https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/30921

> A CVE wasn’t announced for an HTTP Request Smuggling vulnerability

Even before the acquisition of Anthropic, there had never been a single vulnerability report.

https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/security

Do not use this in production.

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Post by insane_dreamer »

sigmar wrote: post #72
insane_dreamer wrote: post #65

This makes a lot of sense. For example, we (and many others) depend heavily on numpy. It's been around for decades and heavily battle tested. If someone came out with a new version of numpy vibe-code rewritten in a week, with assurances that "all tests pass", do you think we would adopt it? Absolutely not. We would have no confidence that there aren't some latent bugs or that we can fully trust the results. It has no…

>it has to do with being battle tested over time. If a team of humans had rewritten it in a week, I wouldn't trust or use it either. "it was made in a week" gets repeated a lot on HN, but the PR wasn't a release. They've been working on the rust rewrite for more than a month and it hasn't shipped.

> They've been working on the rust rewrite for more than a month and it hasn't shipped

doesn't make any difference

the point is, users haven't been using it for years, like the original

there is absolutely no way that you can internally test all the use cases that users encounter, especially with such a large code base

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Post by Griffinsauce »

fragmede wrote: post #121
Eufrat wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really think the actual problem is not the vibe coded aspect, nor questions about supply chain security. It is the apparently reckless and rushed nature of the rewrite which eroded user trust. In the span of about 2 weeks the narrative went from being an experimental branch to be being deployed as a canary ready for public testing. All the while the Jarred from Bun was posting here, promising blog posts and more tr…

9 days just wasn't enough burn in. In an alternate reality, rust-bun ran in parallel for a least a month, if not three or six, before being merged.

Bun has always been about velocity over quality.

Their whole point was "drop in node replacement" - instead of hitting that target they built an entire framework of tools, seemingly changing focus every month or two, and are now rewriting all that to a new language.

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Post by Griffinsauce »

Zakis1 wrote: post #7
qsera wrote: post #3

I think it makes sense to stay away from large code bases built using LLMs until it is proven that it is possible to also maintain such code bases using LLMs or using reasonable human effort.

It's alarming how people instantly jump to conclusions that Bun is now "AI slop". Bun has been almost entirely worked on by LLM's for ~6 months now, long before the Rust re-write (source: https://x.com/jarredsumner/status/2054525268296118363 ). It already has been proven that LLM's can maintain such codebases.

6 months is plenty of time to keep ignoring serious tech debt. I don't think your conclusion follows at all from such a short time.

Re: Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the Rust rewrite

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Post by Npovview »

christophilus wrote: post #13
consumer451 wrote: post #2

I have to say, this whole saga is extremely interesting. Not just from a popcorn-enjoyer's point of view, but as a bit of a bell weather for 2026 software dev.

Time will tell. I predict this is just the same 20 year pattern of: people on the internet are irate about $latest_thing, and everyone will move on to some other hot topic.

The same thing happened when MS acquired Github. So much outrage and so little action of moving to Gitlab.
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