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Didgeridoo playing as alternative treatment for obstructive sleep apnoea (2006)

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Re: Didgeridoo playing as alternative treatment for obstructive sleep apnoea (2006)

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I couldn't find a CPAP mask that worked for me, even after 6 months of trying across 4 different masks. Then I read studies showing oropharyngeal exercises can help treat sleep apnea. Originally I used https://snoregym.com/ for that, but then I switched to simply chewing gum once a day (being careful to chew on both sides of my mouth roughly equally), and also chewing my food a bit longer. It totally cured my sleep a…

What was your severity of sleep apnea? Do you mind sharing your AHI?

Re: Didgeridoo playing as alternative treatment for obstructive sleep apnoea (2006)

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One a friend and I hooked ourselves up to continuous pulse oximetry and had a contest to get the lowest recorded oxygen level. We tried everything we could think of, from just holding our breath to end-expiratory breath holding to hyperventilating to clear O2 (I used to do some recreational free-diving) beforehand to exercising (jumping jacks)... Neither of us could get it below 98%, and this was at a mile of elevati…

It is pretty easy if you use the Wim Hof method. Breathe deep and fast for a few minutes, to the point where you get dizzy or feel weird sensations. Then exhale and stop breathing while being fully relaxed. I've done this while hooked to a pulse oximeter and it takes quite a while before O2 actually starts dropping (especially because the effect can be delayed in your limbs), but once it starts you'll pretty quickly…

Interesting. As I noted above (though typo O2 -> CO2), I used the same technique you describe, which I learned in free diving, and was not able to get below 98%, at altitude.

Re: Didgeridoo playing as alternative treatment for obstructive sleep apnoea (2006)

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One a friend and I hooked ourselves up to continuous pulse oximetry and had a contest to get the lowest recorded oxygen level. We tried everything we could think of, from just holding our breath to end-expiratory breath holding to hyperventilating to clear O2 (I used to do some recreational free-diving) beforehand to exercising (jumping jacks)... Neither of us could get it below 98%, and this was at a mile of elevati…

Can’t claim to know for sure, but I’d assume some kind of measurement limitations: the resolution and upper/lower limits of pulse ox are probably calibrated to some medical need, not to detect changes beyond what’s medically necessary

This was using equipment in the emergency department of our state's only L1 trauma center and comprehensive stroke center; I presume it was decent as far as medical monitoring equipment goes.

Re: Didgeridoo playing as alternative treatment for obstructive sleep apnoea (2006)

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I'm actually trying this right now for my moderate sleep apnea.

I had an AHI of 17 a few years ago and then I had deviated septum surgery and taught myself how to breathe through my mouth using mouth tape.

And had a love-hate relationship with CPAP and finally got consistent with it in the past year.

And now I found a new sleep medicine doctor who agreed to help me try out this claim in the study. (Previous sleep doctor had no interest in helping me with that).

So we took another sleep test and AHI is still about 17. I'm doing the didgeridoo for 3 months for 15 minutes a day, using the air didge, which is adjustable but I'm using it in the lowest tone which is A.

And we are going to test again after the 3 months is up!

Re: Didgeridoo playing as alternative treatment for obstructive sleep apnoea (2006)

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In Japan, I learned to drink water upside down to stop hiccups. Works for me, whereas drinking normally doesn't.

How do you get your body to be upside down?

You bend over and curl your head towards your body.

Re: Didgeridoo playing as alternative treatment for obstructive sleep apnoea (2006)

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Yeah I dunno if I believe this, I played trombone when I was a kid... I didn't get sleep apnea until like 10 years ago. Unless it somehow takes like 30 years to develop, it seems implausible.

n=25, self report AND only players with partners. I think there’s merit to using muscular musculature to improve your sleep apnea but this doesn’t answer the question of why playing the instrument wasn’t preventative in the first place.

Because they didn’t play until the study began? The population was people who had signed up to learn how to play.

Re: Didgeridoo playing as alternative treatment for obstructive sleep apnoea (2006)

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Circular breathing is easiest to accomplish on the didgeridoo. This is because of several reasons: optimal back-pressure (hits the sweet spot between lack of resistance on a flute and too much of it on an oboe, for example), loose embouchure (relaxed lips make it easier to puff up the cheeks) and single drone focus (no distracting fingerings required). I also suspect the intense vibrations have a similar effect (prob…

would oboe be more effective then, albeit harder to will-power yourself into mastering?

Possibly yes when it comes to air pressure, but the learning curve will be steeper. But not when it comes to the generated vibrations, and my bet is the latter are more important.

Re: Didgeridoo playing as alternative treatment for obstructive sleep apnoea (2006)

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Someone really needs to properly do the science on this I (presumably like the majority) assumed that sleep apnea was at least partially caused by weight gain, but if there is weight gain caused by sleep apnea it’s going to give doctors some new tools

There is plenty of proper science on this. Weight gain does not cause obstructive sleep apnea until you get into extremes (e.g. huge necked bodybuilders or people with so much fat on their chest that they physically struggle to move it to breathe). Sleep apnea makes it harder to lose weight and easier to gain weight. Having sleep apnea and being heavier can make sleep apnea worse. Losing weight quickly can make sleep…

Not sure why the other reply got downvoted to death. Commenter is right. The same motor seems to power resmed CPAP and resmed BiPAP. Haven't tried jailbreaking my own yet, but maybe I should give that a go.
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