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Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by yongjik »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #128
yongjik wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also the terminally online crowd blaming rising prices on greedy billionaires, and global warming on the same billionaires. Tell them about carbon tax and they will non-ironically ask "Why should I pay more when it's the billionaires' fault?" I'm not saying billionaires are victims, but everybody wants it to be someone else's fault and none of their own fault. It's exhausting.

But maybe perhaps the billionaires should be the ones driving the progress, as the power they wield is very much disproportionate?

What I'm saying is, people will still complain when the "ruling class" try to drive the progress because it does not conform to their worldview.

Like, Canada once tried to implement carbon tax, which was even revenue-neutral. If you're a Canadian and you emitted less CO2 than others the government will literally give you money.

It was widely unpopular and the plan was scrapped in 2025.

A lot of people think "billionaires are at fault" means "we just get rid of the billionaires and everything will become better, if it doesn't then the billionaires are still at fault." They don't want progress, they want someone to blame.

Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by morepork »

jmclnx wrote: post #3

>If warming continues at this rate, humanity could breach the Paris Agreement goal of limiting warming to 1.5°C in 2028, even sooner than other research has projected. I wonder if we are already there :( I remember a year or 2 ago we breached 1.5C for a short period of time. Crypto mining was bad enough, now with AI and Trump, I expect it will happen sooner then later. We did this to ourselves. We had ~40 years of wa…

Both 2023 (probably) and 2024 were over 1.5°C according to Berkeley Earth, 1.54±0.06°C and 1.62±0.06°C respectively. 2025 was (probably) a shade under at 1.44±0.09°C. Unfortunately it looks like that goal won't be attainable, but all the more reason to make the changes we can.

https://berkeleyearth.org/global-temperature-report-for-2023...

https://berkeleyearth.org/global-temperature-report-for-2024...

https://berkeleyearth.org/global-temperature-report-for-2025...

Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by leonidasrup »

anon7000 wrote: post #36
simgt wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does matter because for now renewables are manufactured mostly with coal and oil EDIT: I'm not a renewable skeptic, answers bellow

This doesn’t matter that much. Solar and batteries will last for decades with minimal maintenance and no input. Any kind of fossil fuel generation means constantly going out and digging up new oil sources, shipping them around the world, and then burning them. So you invest a lot of time & money into something that disappears immediately and also heats up the environment. Meanwhile, a solar panel just sits there for…

Bateries last about 15 years.

https://powerlinkenergy.com/news/expected-lifespan-of-batter...

Solar panels last for decades, solar inverter shorter.

"Generally, the average solar inverter lifespan is 10 to 15 years for standard string inverters, and 20 to 25 years for microinverters"

https://www.solaxpower.com/blogs/how-long-do-solar-inverters...

Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by leonidasrup »

anon7000 wrote: post #36
simgt wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does matter because for now renewables are manufactured mostly with coal and oil EDIT: I'm not a renewable skeptic, answers bellow

This doesn’t matter that much. Solar and batteries will last for decades with minimal maintenance and no input. Any kind of fossil fuel generation means constantly going out and digging up new oil sources, shipping them around the world, and then burning them. So you invest a lot of time & money into something that disappears immediately and also heats up the environment. Meanwhile, a solar panel just sits there for…

There is lot of hype around battery recycling, like claims: EV batteries are now more than 99% recyclable

https://electrek.co/2025/10/28/forget-the-myths-ev-batteries...

The information from scientific literature is much more realistic.

"All the current recycling methods of lithium-ion batteries have advantages and disadvantages concerning environmental impact, efficiency, and economic viability. However, a significant gap exists between academic research and industrial application. Researchers, policymakers, manufacturers, and recyclers should focus on greener methods with high recovery rates, low emissions, and minimal waste towards zero emissions. "

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S037877532...

Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

yongjik wrote: post #125
21asdffdsa12 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worse, they have a "i want to flee responsibility" drive. You can see it in there eyes, when they hold press conferences, while having on the paper the verbose "you are absolutely right". They want the perks, not the responsibility that comes with power.

Also the terminally online crowd blaming rising prices on greedy billionaires, and global warming on the same billionaires. Tell them about carbon tax and they will non-ironically ask "Why should I pay more when it's the billionaires' fault?" I'm not saying billionaires are victims, but everybody wants it to be someone else's fault and none of their own fault. It's exhausting.

Its sign of a immature society- one of those unwilling to mature to adulthood and say : "I did this, out of my own free will and with no coercion!" . Easier to hand power and responsibility to others, become a ward of the state!

Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

yongjik wrote: post #141
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But maybe perhaps the billionaires should be the ones driving the progress, as the power they wield is very much disproportionate?

What I'm saying is, people will still complain when the "ruling class" try to drive the progress because it does not conform to their worldview. Like, Canada once tried to implement carbon tax, which was even revenue-neutral. If you're a Canadian and you emitted less CO2 than others the government will literally give you money. It was widely unpopular and the plan was scrapped in 2025. A lot of people think "billiona…

We ran that experiment: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot

The billionaires are just the line cooks handing out what comes in from the market- and the market aka a globe eaten by people is slim pickings.

Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

yongjik wrote: post #125
21asdffdsa12 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worse, they have a "i want to flee responsibility" drive. You can see it in there eyes, when they hold press conferences, while having on the paper the verbose "you are absolutely right". They want the perks, not the responsibility that comes with power.

Also the terminally online crowd blaming rising prices on greedy billionaires, and global warming on the same billionaires. Tell them about carbon tax and they will non-ironically ask "Why should I pay more when it's the billionaires' fault?" I'm not saying billionaires are victims, but everybody wants it to be someone else's fault and none of their own fault. It's exhausting.

Interestingly enough, consumers will pay for (and will be able to earn money off of) emission rights in Europe soon. People charging their cars will earn certificates (which companies are already "graciously" offering to sell for them).
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