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Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Post by grey-area »

nikeee wrote: post #67

When I'm encountering some WoT like that, I'd like to have a button like "view source", but for "view prompt". Most ai generated messages or docs are unnecessarily verbose and just reading the prompt would suffice. I don't really get why some people seem to think that it's somehow better to have their bullet point prompt as a huge text. It just wastes my time. And probably only makes it look like it took more effort…

> ...probably only makes it look like it took more effort than it actually did

I think you've hit on why people would do this in a work environment. It's a low-effort way of looking like they're engaged at work and know what they're talking about.

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Post by SoftTalker »

charcircuit wrote: post #120

>If they wanted an AI essay, they would have asked ChatGPT themselves. This is not true in the least bit. The page even included an example of calling someone to ask when a meeting was instead of asking an AI assistant to check their calendar. There is a reason why so much of company support can be done using AI or via people following a flowchart. People do not know how to solve problems by themselves.

I usually find out when meetings are when I get a text from someone asking "are you coming to the meeting?"

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Post by 948382828528 »

emsign wrote: post #66
great_wubwub wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a coworker whose first language isn't English. She uses AI to polish up her writing, particularly long documents. She puts a ton of effort into making sure that it still reads well. Because of this effort her writing is strong and precise. Before AI she made all the obvious mistakes you'd expect from someone who's not a native English speaker. It's very hard to tell that she used AI because she puts so much ef…

You do realize that when you have to find a special use case to defend something you are really giving an argument AGAINST casual widespread use of it.

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Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Post by SoftTalker »

ho_schi wrote: post #78

My boss . Generates entire websites with AI Slop. Instead of sending a single text mail with three links and the words please make that certificate . No. He wastes the time of all personnel. Wastes energy. And hides the important message in a wall of text (I was the only person which recognized, that he requires the certificate…it was hidden in a side box). Right now we re-implementing every frogging tool which was e…

I had a boss who was the opposite. He was so terse in his emails that if you just read one without context you'd have no idea what he was asking for.

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Post by Balgair »

nikeee wrote: post #67

When I'm encountering some WoT like that, I'd like to have a button like "view source", but for "view prompt". Most ai generated messages or docs are unnecessarily verbose and just reading the prompt would suffice. I don't really get why some people seem to think that it's somehow better to have their bullet point prompt as a huge text. It just wastes my time. And probably only makes it look like it took more effort…

I mean, you can just point your LLM at the wall of text and ask it to dream up with the prompt that made that. Or ask it to summarize into a TLDR.

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Post by nlawalker »

SoftTalker wrote: post #134
csbrooks wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, acting in good faith means saying something like "I'm not sure, but Claude says this, which sounds right: [short informative clip from Claude's wall of text]". Don't pretend it's your response, make sure it has info you think is useful, and edit it down.

I'd prefer just "I don't know." I can ask Claude on my own.

> To me

> I'd prefer

This is exactly my point. To some people, direct communication, especially "no", is extremely rude. To some people, a head bob (easily confused for a "yes" in other cultures) merely means acknowledgement, or "maybe". To some people, extended silence indicates deep consideration or respect.

Globalization resulted in a need to tolerate these differences, and in my experience, trying to "fix" them is considered rude (I suppose that's also a cultural norm!). I just think it's interesting to observe that there is such immediate intolerance of this new behavior. Of course I understand it, and I don't even entirely disagree, I just think it's worth reflecting on, there are probably so many ways of considering it.

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Post by sweetheart »

ahtihn wrote: post #132
nlawalker wrote: post #128

I've decided that I'm done being pissy about this kind of response, or thinking that it's something that can be coached away. I choose to look at it like any other cultural communication difference - something that you learn about, try to give some grace to, and work a little harder to bridge (unless you're defusing a bomb, performing surgery, flying an airplane etc.). In this person's communication culture, they are…

Copy/pasting a question to LLM and pasting back the output isn't an attempt ar being helpful. It's the equivalent of a lmgtfy link.

But the point OP is making is that it's entirely possible that the person doing this _does_ see it as them being as helpful as possible. That doesn't mean it doesn't suck, or that it isn't annoying, though. I dunno, just seems like a coin toss to me: was this backed by good intentions or not? Without other "evidence", assuming that it was well-meaning but misguided feels better for _both_ of us (at least in my experience).

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Post by fragmede »

fusslo wrote: post #82
nikeee wrote: post #67

When I'm encountering some WoT like that, I'd like to have a button like "view source", but for "view prompt". Most ai generated messages or docs are unnecessarily verbose and just reading the prompt would suffice. I don't really get why some people seem to think that it's somehow better to have their bullet point prompt as a huge text. It just wastes my time. And probably only makes it look like it took more effort…

"WoT" hmm.. Wheel of Time? never got into those books personally

Wide open Throttle. Aka puttin the pedal to the metal, or twisting the throttle to the max on a bike, or pressing the lever as far is it will go on a jetski/quad.

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Post by HeartStrings »

AI was used in writing that article. Know how I can tell? "You asked a simple question. They lobbed a document."

" It's a weapon disguised as helpfulness" hello GPT

"Use AI to make things clearer, not longer. Let it sharpen your thinking, not replace it." holy slop goddamn

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Post by andrewflnr »

nlawalker wrote: post #128

I've decided that I'm done being pissy about this kind of response, or thinking that it's something that can be coached away. I choose to look at it like any other cultural communication difference - something that you learn about, try to give some grace to, and work a little harder to bridge (unless you're defusing a bomb, performing surgery, flying an airplane etc.). In this person's communication culture, they are…

> In this person's communication culture, they are saying "I don't know, but here's my attempt to help."

It's still a bad attempt at help. Objectively net-zero utility at best.

If it's really just "culture" but they genuinely want to help, then they can in fact be coached. If they're only interested in appearances, well, I agree training isn't going to help.

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