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Post by dylan604 »

JohnFen wrote: post #111
dylan604 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure. I've never really read the articles. The headlines tend to be from sites that lean a little further that I'm willing to read normally. Search assist AI suggested it was even for glass bottles, but I don't trust anything an AI suggests as it could be sourcing from the same places.

If you're just reading headlines (from any news source), then you're likely misinforming yourself. Headlines are advertisements, not summaries of the articles, and are frequently misleading. At the very least, keep in mind that the headlines are not written by the article's author(s), they're written by editors whose only goal is to get you to read the article.

Yes, and looking at the source of the headline tells me a lot about the type of editors they do or do not have which does not change my original statement that I don't bother reading certain sites. Sure, I said their leaning, but that's not the only thing that is used. But that wasn't really germane to the conversation, but now you've changed the topic.

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Post by t1234s »

t1234s wrote: post #4

I started throwing everything in the garbage except aluminum over the past couple of years. Better off in a US landfill than shipped of to asia and dumped in the ocean.

I never knew how much energy was involved in creating aluminum from bauxite until I watched How It's Made S01E01 years ago. It looks like they were bulldozing just as much coal into the adjacent power plant as bauxite into the factory. Recycling this stuff makes sense.

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Post by andreimackenzie »

kube-system wrote: post #105
andreimackenzie wrote: post #60

My local Starbucks offers a 10 cents discount and extra loyalty points for bringing your own cup. I've started bringing an insulated one that keeps coffee hot for longer & doesn't sweat with an iced beverage. I seldom see others bringing their own cups, even regulars I see there every week, even when Starbucks themselves sell reusable cups. It is almost like there is a weird stigma about handing the barista something…

If I'm going to use my own cup I just bring coffee from home in it. Personally, when I get a coffee to-go, I want a disposable cup so that I don't have to carry it around for the rest of the day.

Fair enough. I use plenty of disposable stuff in other contexts.

The habitual part is what makes a difference for me with my local coffee shop. I usually walk over around midday when I WFH, mostly to move around and re-energize for the second half of the day. Since I know I will be coming right home after, it is easy for me to adjust my ritual to include the cup.

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Post by bluGill »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #68
bluGill wrote: post #39

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Your efforts cascade. You alone mean nothing, but states and companies are just reacting to the collective wants, so if everyone waits for everyone else first nothing will happen.

> states and companies are just reacting to the collective wants Insanely naive take. They react to capital.

For the purposes of this, there's no difference. Not that there's no difference, but it doesn't matter for this.

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Post by mulmen »

hypeatei wrote: post #66
mulmen wrote: post #45

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If I am being extremely generous I think the key word there is prioritizing . It's a moving goalpost. Could mean "allow you to bring your own cup" or "advertise you can bring your own cup" or "offer a discount for bringing your own cup".

Fair. It's definitely too broad of a statement and I feel like calling out the reusable cup policy that Starbucks already has would be more helpful. The current statement reads like there is no alternative whatsoever and you're forced to dump plastic into the ocean if you get a drink from there.

The role of an activist is to improve the status quo. They will, by definition, never be satisfied with what Starbucks is doing. On the other hand Starbucks now offers discounts if you bring your own cup, which I don’t believe was always the case, so it appears activism works.

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Post by throwaway27448 »

bluGill wrote: post #144
throwaway27448 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> states and companies are just reacting to the collective wants Insanely naive take. They react to capital.

For the purposes of this, there's no difference. Not that there's no difference, but it doesn't matter for this.

Again, insanely naive take. We do not live in the utopia you think we do

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Post by tardedmeme »

School-Cotton wrote: post #5

Recycling is largely a scheme to make people feel better about themselves without actually meaningfully addressing their environmental impact. If you care about the environment, BY FAR the most important thing you can do is reducing your carbon footprint. Everything else is really a rounding error compared to that. But that requires a materially poorer existence: living in a smaller home, eating meat less frequently,…

There are actions that make a much bigger impact than reducing your carbon footprint; several people are currently in jail for those actions.

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Post by tardedmeme »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #71
tmnvix wrote: post #41

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If I remember correctly, US per capita CO2 footprint is around 14 tonnes (this includes industrial activity). Average US driver of an ICE vehicle produces around 4 tonnes of CO2 per year. Personal choices matter.

I think the second half of your argument is missing. How much of that CO2 emission is even in my control? What is capital doing to reduce its end of output? What sort of mechanisms do I even have to control the economy? I can't stop american companies from selling out my grandkid's future. My parents couldn't either. Our economy is simply not structured to reflect collective interest. If you vote for a political part…

If you drive an ICE vehicle in the US, about 4 tonnes. He just told you that.

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Post by Freedumbs »

andreimackenzie wrote: post #60

My local Starbucks offers a 10 cents discount and extra loyalty points for bringing your own cup. I've started bringing an insulated one that keeps coffee hot for longer & doesn't sweat with an iced beverage. I seldom see others bringing their own cups, even regulars I see there every week, even when Starbucks themselves sell reusable cups. It is almost like there is a weird stigma about handing the barista something…

I would hope it's a health code violation for a food processing employees to handle something given to them by a customer while processing food without either changing gloves or washing hands.
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