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The American Rebellion Against AI Is Gaining Steam

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Post by Octoth0rpe »

wvenable wrote: post #36
lowbloodsugar wrote: post #8

I'll just keep repeating this: There are three options: 1. AI owned by everyone 2. No AI 3. AI owned by billionaires If you can make the masses fight for 2 instead of 1, then you guarantee that you don't get 1. If instead, the masses fight for 1, they've got a chance of getting it. You present AI as a false dichotomy: no AI or AI for billionaires. But 2 is a fantasy. There will be AI. Any of us arguing for (1) get sh…

What does #1 actually mean in practical terms? Collective ownership of a giant data center and all the CPUs, GPUs, and DRAM needed to do AI?

The opposite I'd say, completely open models/weights with some level of government/civil support for ongoing training (through universities? government labs?), but the infrastructure to run models is private and entirely commoditized/interchangeable with highly competitive pricing from multiple private providers.

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Post by dyauspitr »

nozzlegear wrote: post #129
dyauspitr wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s because you live in a world with competitors now this isn’t the 60s and the 70s anymore. There are legitimately quite a few countries that can effectively compete. Someone else eating your lunch in this case means you’re poor, have no global power and life for all of us will be worse than what we currently enjoy.

But in terms of AI, what does that actually mean? If the Chinese are ahead of us and have "eaten our lunch," what are the actual effects? Cheaper AI for everyone with the existential threat that they may shut off access whenever they like? We're not building weapons here, there's no end goal unless you believe in the myth of AGI that these companies are pushing. US companies won't suddenly take their LLMs offline if…

I mean, that is the shortest term possible thinking. These mortals are only going to keep getting better if we had some sort of inflection point where massive scientific discoveries become easy America loses its advantage and simple terms that just means you’ll be poor. Have less money healthcare will suck. Jobs will be hard to find and you’ll eventually have to do whatever your Chinese overlords tell you.

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Post by userbinator »

soundworlds wrote: post #114
userbinator wrote: post #94

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You may be the first person I've heard argue that artists are the oppressor class

When they keep preaching from one extreme side of the political spectrum, yes.

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Post by [deleted] »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #110
nozzlegear wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you implying this story is Chinese or Russian propaganda?

No. I'm implying that Chinese micro targeted propaganda is stoking fear of AI in the U.S. with the aim of slowing/diminishing our advantage in data center compute in the AI race.

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Post by somelamer567 »

This is the product of a massive own-goal by America's rightwing feral business overclass.

They were bragging to shareholders about how AI was being used to slash headcount, to gratuitously ruin thousands of lives to pump up the bottom line and "reward" their already-pampered shareholders. They themselves got handsomely rewarded for it.

Now they're crying and acting all butthurt for the intense negative public reaction their greed-driven communication strategy provoked.

Well, that is RATHER unfortunate, isn't it??

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Post by somelamer567 »

soundworlds wrote: post #59

1. So AI companies royally screwed over artists and other culture workers. 2. Culture workers are a big part of who sets the narrative for the general population - especially young people. 3. Less than 1/5 of Gen Z are optimistic about AI and the number is falling: ( https://news.gallup.com/poll/708224/gen-adoption-steady-skep... ) The current wave of AI companies did this to themselves. Had things moved more slowly…

America has a proud tradition of offering college students a very broad education. Unfortunately, this trend doesn't seem to have made it to the techbros -- the Mark Zuckerbergs of the world -- who are not only spoilt, sheltered rich kids and uncultured philistines in their own right, but are also college dropouts; shamelessly so. That lack of culture drives their wanton disrespect for others' artistic output.

The entire AI wave is built on the shameless wholesale theft of the hard work of others. This exploitative, extractive business model is really no different from the legalised banditry operated by PE value extraction outfits like Vista and their ilk -- just on a vastly greater scale.

Late stage capitalism stopped building value years ago. It's now all about building wealth pumps and toll booths all over the economy to immorally extract as much value as possible, from as many different people as possible, as efficiently as possible.

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